The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
She actually belonged to a group that organizes and harasses ICE.
Let me fix that for you.
She belonged to a group that were exercising their right to protest about masked, armed militia on their streets who are attacking anyone and everyone they want to with no comeback or oversight. There, I think that is what you meant to say.
Just out of curiosity do you really see no difference between what Trump is doing with ICE and what any number of dictators have done/are doing across the world?
Please don't even attempt to justify ICE's behaviour by blaming protestors. I have seen multiple videos of ICE attacking women, the elderly, even in one case shooting a pastor in the head with a bean bag. Latest video I saw there was 6 of them sitting on a male kicking him, punching him and kneeing him all while he was handcuffed behind his back. Bullies, big tough boys.
I don't have a clear understanding of why the dead woman was there, despite Daisy's declarations. The videos clearly show traffic was moving so she wasn't blocking it. I have heard of more than 1 explanation of why ICE agents were there. One version is that a vehicle was stuck, others came to help, protesters thought it was a ICE action. The VP said they were going door to door.
I haven't heard a good explanation of why an ICE agent would yell " open the f****** door" or describe the dead woman as a "f****** b****” , both of which are heard on recordings.
Trump is in court because he keeps breaking the law.
As Beerman has stated all those questions have already been answered. Maybe stop only reading lefty news and you will find them. But since you asked....
Two woman organized themselves to obstruct ICE from arresting criminals also broke the law by said obstruction. She was parked sideways in the middle of the street attempting to stop ICE. Do you think they are going to proceed when there is a civilian who is slowing/impeding the flow of traffic). Then when given the chance to move (she was in the car for at least 3 minutes blasting her horn and rocking out to it) decided to run over the ICE agent instead, the ICE agent had to make a split second decision like they are trained to do and did.
“”Timothy Miller, who is also a former police officer, told Fox News Digital that agents are trained to "respond to a deadly force situation based on the facts" and with "appropriate deadly force."
"Think about an agent standing literally within a foot of the front bumper of a car, center of the front bumper, and now the car accelerates," Miller explained. "That vehicle is even more deadly than a gun. You can survive a gunshot. If a car runs over you, it's not going to go well."”
When one purposefully puts themselves into a situation like this they take that chance.
I don't understand why you and others think it is OK for people who have no idea what these criminals have done, and even if they do, to try to insert themselves in a law enforcement operation and think it will go well for them. And not only that but why would you want these criminals running around free in your community. Unless you have been living under a rock you know they will have their day in court. Maybe it isn't professional with the name calling but when you look at it from the ICE perspective, being constantly harassed, demonized and having the threat of attack (and in this case and actual attack), it is perfectly understandable. IMO people should appreciate the fact that LEOs put their lives on the line everyday to protect others whether or not you agree with the laws in place. And if you don't like the laws there are avenues for dealing with that. Attacking and harassing LEOs in NOT one of those.
Maybe the question is who is promoting these agitators and what do they have to gain?
She belonged to a group that were exercising their right to protest about masked, armed militia on their streets who are attacking anyone and everyone they want to with no comeback or oversight. There, I think that is what you meant to say.
Let me help you out. Labeling it a protest doesn't mean you can interfere with them doing their jobs, or even park in the road. She was doing both, which are also illegal.
GrumpyRN said:
Please don't even attempt to justify ICE's behaviour by blaming protestors. I have seen multiple videos of ICE attacking women, the elderly, even in one case shooting a pastor in the head with a bean bag. Latest video I saw there was 6 of them sitting on a male kicking him, punching him and kneeing him all while he was handcuffed behind his back. Bullies, big tough boys.
Once again, I'll say that except for a few outlier cases, these things aren't happening. And, once again I'll invite you to provide some evidence that shows otherwise.
She belonged to a group that were exercising their right to protest about masked, armed militia on their streets who are attacking anyone and everyone they want to with no comeback or oversight. There, I think that is what you meant to say.
Just out of curiosity do you really see no difference between what Trump is doing with ICE and what any number of dictators have done/are doing across the world?
Please don't even attempt to justify ICE's behaviour by blaming protestors. I have seen multiple videos of ICE attacking women, the elderly, even in one case shooting a pastor in the head with a bean bag. Latest video I saw there was 6 of them sitting on a male kicking him, punching him and kneeing him all while he was handcuffed behind his back. Bullies, big tough boys.
LOL you can't be serious!
You are probably seeing video clips taken out of context. LEOs do not go around "attacking anyone and everyone...with no oversight". The reason they wear masks is bc people doxx them and either harass them and/or their families at home and elsewhere when they are not working. You think Trump is a dictator? If so you are not paying attention. He has more oversight and has been dragged into court more than any other President. And no that doesn't mean he is breaking the law, just the Dems trying to stop what they don't like. The only time people get arrested by ICE and possibly hurt in the process (just like the risk from any other person fighting LEOs) is when they cross the line from peaceful protests to impeding/obstructing/attacking etc. Maybe a few people have been caught in the crosshairs but that is few and far between and maybe some should have enough sense to know when to pack it in (if things start getting rough bc of protesters who do not comply, like those 2 women).
LEOs are not big bad bullies. If you are not breaking the law you will not have a problem, it is very simple.
Okay, so apparently there is no documentation of what actually transpired in the 15 minutes or so, up to the moment that an ICE agent walked around a deceased mom of 3, making a video of her car, stopped in front of it. He switches his phone from left to right, draws his weapon and then shot her in the face. We know that she said to him "I'm not mad at you, dude (her last words)". At the same time, his partners swore at her, tried to open her door, she steered her car to avoid the shooter, rolled forward, and he shot her point-blank.
The president will likely welcome this guy to the White House and give him a medal.
Police are taught not to fire into vehicles, and yet, ICE seems to do it repeatedly, with the excuse of fearing for their lives. Do they make a habit of putting themselves in harms way? Part of their training?
Okay, so apparently there is no documentation of what actually transpired in the 15 minutes or so, up to the moment that an ICE agent walked around a deceased mom of 3, making a video of her car, stopped in front of it. He switches his phone from left to right, draws his weapon and then shot her in the face. We know that she said to him "I'm not mad at you, dude (her last words)". At the same time, his partners swore at her, tried to open her door, she steered her car to avoid the shooter, rolled forward, and he shot her point-blank.
The president will likely welcome this guy to the White House and give him a medal.
Police are taught not to fire into vehicles, and yet, ICE seems to do it repeatedly, with the excuse of fearing for their lives. Do they make a habit of putting themselves in harms way? Part of their training?
The training that is becoming clear is the social training that causes Trump supporters to defend the shooting of an unarmed protester regardless of the actual public evidence. That's the training that makes this a very dangerous regime. The training that accepts any excessive force as long as the force is exerted against their perceived enemies; immigrants and liberals.
We can see how powerful that training is. The beliefs are not pierced by video evidence or lies by the leadership of the actual language of the law or policy that forbids such use of force. Nope. That training has them ignoring reality and attacking the victim in defense of a killer and those who would lie to protect him.
Then you won't mind citing your sources of on the ground reporting by people who were actually there, or interviewed named witnesses. I don't believe Sec. Noem's version because she was not present. She was in Brownsville, TX playing dress-up.
I don't recollect exactly what Noem or Trump has said. I don't put much stock into their comments.
I do know what I've seen. I don't need to cite sources. All this is easily found.
So, let's see. You said it's unclear as to why Good was there. I didn't even know this was in dispute. There is plenty out there to reasonably deduce that she was there to protest and interfere. She was there, putting herself blocking the road, impeding their work, along with her wife taunting the agents, and not cooperating with their lawful orders. What other reasons do you think she was there for?
Next, you don't know why they yelled at her to open the door. Well, that's easy. When they yelled at her to get out, which was a lawful order, she didn't. Getting her out was the next step.
Okay, so apparently there is no documentation of what actually transpired in the 15 minutes or so, up to the moment that an ICE agent walked around a deceased mom of 3, making a video of her car, stopped in front of it. He switches his phone from left to right, draws his weapon and then shot her in the face. We know that she said to him "I'm not mad at you, dude (her last words)". At the same time, his partners swore at her, tried to open her door, she steered her car to avoid the shooter, rolled forward, and he shot her point-blank.
The president will likely welcome this guy to the White House and give him a medal.
Police are taught not to fire into vehicles, and yet, ICE seems to do it repeatedly, with the excuse of fearing for their lives. Do they make a habit of putting themselves in harms way? Part of their training?
I didn't say there was no documentation except the 3min, I said at least 3 min, which is plenty of time for her to realize what she was doing and make a CHOICE to comply and move her vehicle. And you have no idea why the agent was walking around her car. Your own article states the LAPD "discourages" shooting into cars, not prohibits it and also acknowledges that cars are lethal to LEOs. As you stated she was shot in the head which was probably what he was aiming for in order to not have those stray bullets harming others, and it worked. She did not steer her car to avoid the agent, she steered at him. And even if she did she still hit him. Do you not think that this situation won't leave the agent with lasting stress knowing he killed someone. Contrary to popular belief LEOs are not bullies who enjoy killing people, they are human beings!! Stop playing Monday morning quarterback! You and I and others probably would have made the same decision if you felt your life was on the line, who wouldn't. Yes, she was a mother of three children and also had a partner who egged her on and was also present. Maybe between the two of them they could have decided to put their family first instead of inserting themselves into the middle of the situation and breaking the law (ie not peaceful protesting!). Their choice! And choices have consequences, sometimes good and sometimes bad. That is why people are supposed to think about the choices and risks before they act. And even after her putting herself in this risky situation she still chose not to exit it when she was given multiple chances, again her CHOICE.
This really isn't a difficult one to figure out!! (Apparently except for those who want to blame the Trump admin for everything).
Okay, so apparently there is no documentation of what actually transpired in the 15 minutes or so, up to the moment that an ICE agent walked around a deceased mom of 3, making a video of her car, stopped in front of it. He switches his phone from left to right, draws his weapon and then shot her in the face. We know that she said to him "I'm not mad at you, dude (her last words)". At the same time, his partners swore at her, tried to open her door, she steered her car to avoid the shooter, rolled forward, and he shot her point-blank.
The president will likely welcome this guy to the White House and give him a medal.
Police are taught not to fire into vehicles, and yet, ICE seems to do it repeatedly, with the excuse of fearing for their lives. Do they make a habit of putting themselves in harms way? Part of their training?
You didn't get all that quite correct, but with time, we'll learn if the agent acted appropriately or not.
Let me add two more questions to the list of questions you ignore:
Do you put ANY blame at all on Renee Good? It seems for many liberals you can't accept anything short of the other side being 100% in the wrong. It's like this it seems on every issue.
And, I'm curious, if you were standing a foot or two in front of a running vehicle, knowing the driver thinks you're part of a Trump-led Gestapo, and you heard someone yell "drive!", and the vehicle went into motion, would you be at all concerned about incurring a serious injury?
She did not steer her car to avoid the agent, she steered at him. And even if she did she still hit him. breaking the law (ie not peaceful protesting!). Their choice! And choices have consequences, sometimes good and sometimes bad. That is why people are supposed to think about the choices and risks before they act. And even after her putting herself in this risky situation she still chose not to exit it when she was given multiple chances, again her CHOICE.
This really isn't a difficult one to figure out!! (Apparently except for those who want to blame the Trump admin for everything).
You do not know what activities she was engaged in, prior to the shooting. You do not know if she was engaged in violent protesting. The street was not blocked.
She did not hit him. She turned her wheels to avoid him. He fired within inches of his partner, putting him in danger of a ricochet. Good's partner was on the other side of the vehicle, putting her in danger of a stray bullet.
I don't know why you bring Trump into this. He is a befuddled old man who is only doing what his handlers want him to do.
You do not know what activities she was engaged in, prior to the shooting. You do not know if she was engaged in violent protesting. The street was not blocked.
She did not hit him. She turned her wheels to avoid him. He fired within inches of his partner, putting him in danger of a ricochet. Good's partner was on the other side of the vehicle, putting her in danger of a stray bullet.
I don't know why you bring Trump into this. He is a befuddled old man who is only doing what his handlers want him to do.
Pahleeze!! The only thing I can say at this point is there are multiple videos out there (not just clips) and go watch them, the truth is out there! It is more than obvious that some just don't want to see the truth and would rather just keep bludgeon Trump.
Well, carry on I guess.
Do you put ANY blame at all on Renee Good? It seems for many liberals you can't accept anything short of the other side being 100% in the wrong. It's like this it seems on every issue.
And, I'm curious, if you were standing a foot or two in front of a running vehicle, knowing the driver thinks you're part of a Trump-led Gestapo, and you heard someone yell "drive!", and the vehicle went into motion, would you be at all concerned about incurring a serious injury?
Valid questions. I can't affix much blame to the deceased without knowing more context. I've stated/asked multiple times about what came before the confrontation. Why was she there? Had she actually interrupted a lawful serving of a warrant? Had she been advised to move her vehicle?
I reject the premise that Renee Good thought Ross was "part of a Trump-led Gestapo (your words)”. In fact, moments before shots were fired she said " I'm not mad at you". That hardly seems like homicidal rage. If I was concerned about being hit by a car, I'd get out of the way. I do it often at the grocery store.
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Let me fix that for you.
She belonged to a group that were exercising their right to protest about masked, armed militia on their streets who are attacking anyone and everyone they want to with no comeback or oversight. There, I think that is what you meant to say.
Just out of curiosity do you really see no difference between what Trump is doing with ICE and what any number of dictators have done/are doing across the world?
Please don't even attempt to justify ICE's behaviour by blaming protestors. I have seen multiple videos of ICE attacking women, the elderly, even in one case shooting a pastor in the head with a bean bag. Latest video I saw there was 6 of them sitting on a male kicking him, punching him and kneeing him all while he was handcuffed behind his back. Bullies, big tough boys.