The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
I've seen the video of the other passenger in the car.
You're the only one who has seen that video.
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I've seen the video of the other passenger in the car. If she was obstructing traffic then she should have been cuffed and hauled off to the police station....
That's exactly what they were trying to do. It's too bad the she 1) blocked them in the first place and 2) didn't comply with their orders to get out 3) listened to her wife who told her to drive
If at any one of those three decision points she had acted differently, she'd be alive today.
That's exactly what they were trying to do. It's too bad the she 1) blocked them in the first place and 2) didn't comply with their orders to get out 3) listened to her wife who told her to drive
If at any one of those three decision points she had acted differently, she'd be alive today.
I am amazed that people can't seem to follow that very simple logic. They both were also joined with a radical left group that did these type of things on a regular basis. There were idiots running around last night mostly peacefully protesting. I can't figure out if they are all stupid, paid, or just egged on by the radical left politicians and media. They vandalized hotels and keep innocent people up all night just bc they thought ICE was there. These people are disturbed!
* 8 people shot
* 5 of which were U.S. citizens
* 2 died
* no victims drew a weapon
Peaceful organized protest is a constitutionally protected right in the USA. It isn't any more illegal for people to meet and plan how they will protest ICE than it is for them to meet and plan how they will protest abortion or books in schools or pandemic public health guidance.
Demonizing protests which are specifically and intentionally NOT violent is a psychological strategy to make it easier to accept mistreating peaceful protesters for their peaceful protest. It's a strategy that's been employed historically. Make the others seem really bad and dangerous so that the target audience feels that harming them economically or physically is normalized and excused as acceptable governance.
I am amazed that people can't seem to follow that very simple logic. They both were also joined with a radical left group that did these type of things on a regular basis. There were idiots running around last night mostly peacefully protesting. I can't figure out if they are all stupid, paid, or just egged on by the radical left politicians and media. They vandalized hotels and keep innocent people up all night just bc they thought ICE was there. These people are disturbed!
It's fine to have a differing opinion. But, the opinions of those youre speaking of aren't based on facts. Their opinions are rooted in their hatred of ICE and hatred of Trump.
* 8 people shot
* 5 of which were U.S. citizens
* 2 died
* no victims drew a weapon
Peaceful organized protest is a constitutionally protected right in the USA. It isn't any more illegal for people to meet and plan how they will protest ICE than it is for them to meet and plan how they will protest abortion or books in schools or pandemic public health guidance.
Demonizing protests which are specifically and intentionally NOT violent is a psychological strategy to make it easier to accept mistreating peaceful protesters for their peaceful protest. It's a strategy that's been employed historically. Make the others seem really bad and dangerous so that the target audience feels that harming them economically or physically is normalized and excused as acceptable governance.
I haven't seen anyone demonize people who are legitimately protesting peacefully. What I have seen is people vandalizing others property, taking over public streets, rioting, and interfering with LEO operations all in the name of "peaceful protests". I also see left wing media and politicians egging them on even after something bad happens. Perhaps that is an example of a psychological strategy.
Do you really think that what the 2 women were doing (taunting and putting their car deliberately into a ICE operation was "peaceful". Or how about those "peaceful protests" that followed.
Breaking into someone else's property and vandalizing it and screaming and making noise all night keeping people awake at said hotels is not peaceful. Maybe the problem here is that these radical leftists can't seem if figure out what "peaceful means". Others are not trying to make is "seem really bad and dangerous" the leftist protests are really bad and dangerous!!
It's fine to have a differing opinion. But, the opinions of those youre speaking of aren't based on facts. Their opinions are rooted in their hatred of ICE and hatred of Trump.
I couldn't agree more. I just wish they would get over it and let it go. They scream about "kings" etc but fail to factor in that Trump gets dragged into court all the time. Also, Trump is not making up laws, just enforcing the ones already on the books. I guess the radical left can't figure out how to get them changed if they don't like them (although not so sure why they want a bunch more criminals in their communities); so I guess they just resort to acting out like small children.
1-16.200 - USE OF DEADLY FORCE AND PROHIBITED RESTRAINT TECHNIQUES
A. Deadly Force
Law enforcement and correctional officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.
Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.
Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.
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1-16.300 - DE-ESCALATION
Officers will be trained in de-escalation tactics and techniques designed to gain voluntary compliance from a subject before using force, and such tactics and techniques should be employed if objectively feasible and they would not increase the danger to the officer or others. When feasible, reducing the need for force allows officers to secure their own safety as well as the safety of the public.
[updated July 2022]
If an agent feels that a vehicle might hit them, they are expected to step aside to avoid injury.
I agree as well. I don't have hatred in me, but my intense dislike of Trump and ICE's tactics inform my opiinions about their actions. For example I didn't for a second stop to think that Noem's statement about what happened were true because this administration including her has a history of lying and making things up.
I also did not jump to any conclusions that the left was spewing about either. It's just too soon.
One the day after I heard on BBC that the reporter thought it was interesting that people were looking at the same event and video and coming up with two completely different narratives.
This is America.
Like it or not right now, just as with the Kirk murder, the death of Good has created a poster child martyr of people that are anti-Trump and ICE. I didn't go but there seemed to be a decent number of people at the protest here.
But it really isn't headline news here, as it's Florida after all. Over at Tampa Bay Times the the story is the third most read, after one about the Bucs and one about a new bakery opening up here in town.
I don't have a clear understanding of why the dead woman was there, despite Daisy's declarations. The videos clearly show traffic was moving so she wasn't blocking it. I have heard of more than 1 explanation of why ICE agents were there. One version is that a vehicle was stuck, others came to help, protesters thought it was a ICE action. The VP said they were going door to door.
I haven't heard a good explanation of why an ICE agent would yell " open the f****** door" or describe the dead woman as a "f****** b****” , both of which are heard on recordings.
Trump is in court because he keeps breaking the law.
I don't have a clear understanding of why the dead woman was there, despite Daisy's declarations. The videos clearly show traffic was moving so she wasn't blocking it. I have heard of more than 1 explanation of why ICE agents were there. One version is that a vehicle was stuck, others came to help, protesters thought it was a ICE action. The VP said they were going door to door.
I haven't heard a good explanation of why an ICE agent would yell " open the f****** door" or describe the dead woman as a "f****** b****” , both of which are heard on recordings.
Trump is in court because he keeps breaking the law.
Well, the answers to those questions have all come to light in the last few days. Except maybe the last one. I understand why he called her a name, but thats a matter of opinion. After causing the scene, refusing to cooperate, taunting, then unlawfully trying to flee, and forcing an officer to shoot, I probably would have called her a name too.
If you don't know the answers to those questions, you're either uninformed or just choosing not to see.
It's interesting you declared it a murder and had such strong opinions at first when you now admittingly don't know much about what happened.
If you don't know the answers to those questions, you're either uninformed or just choosing not to see.
Then you won't mind citing your sources of on the ground reporting by people who were actually there, or interviewed named witnesses. I don't believe Sec. Noem's version because she was not present. She was in Brownsville, TX playing dress-up.
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You're the only one who has seen that video.
That's exactly what they were trying to do. It's too bad the she 1) blocked them in the first place and 2) didn't comply with their orders to get out 3) listened to her wife who told her to drive
If at any one of those three decision points she had acted differently, she'd be alive today.