The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
Prison inmates have been convicted of a crime. Detainees may or may not even have seen a judge before detainment. Comparing a prison to a detainment camp is a false equivalence , but you knew that. Just out of curiosity, during your work in a prison, did you ever deny an inmate insulin, or the use of a walker, ignore chest pain?
Torture facilities= hardly worth a comment (if even that)
Illegal alien detainees=made a choice to come here illegally
Yes, I am sure mistakes are happening. But again the system is completely overwhelmed. Root cause= Democrats allowing millions of illegal aliens into the Country.
And, how many of those examples in the article do you think happen every day in our jails for citizens and even in our hospitals. Expired milk, oh the horror. I drink/eat expired items all the time. That said I don't want anyone to suffer but there is only so much money and resources and it obviously gets stretched too thin when we (the taxpayers) are paying for all these resources for illegal aliens.
Being locked in a box for hours is more than expired milk. Crushing testicles is not from a lack of resources. Causing people to fight for clean water is disgusting.
Not all detainees are undocumented. Some are US citizens. Some have permanent legal resident status (green cards), some have valid visas, some have been granted asylum or have pending asylum cases. But DHS would have you believe these are the worst of the worst and deserve what they get. All the while the president is granting pardons to actual, convicted criminals.
Being locked in a box for hours is more than expired milk. Crushing testicles is not from a lack of resources. Causing people to fight for clean water is disgusting.
Not all detainees are undocumented. Some are US citizens. Some have permanent legal resident status (green cards), some have valid visas, some have been granted asylum or have pending asylum cases. But DHS would have you believe these are the worst of the worst and deserve what they get. All the while the president is granting pardons to actual, convicted criminals.
These kind of allegations have been going on for a long time including during the Biden administration. Some are probably exaggerated but some are probably legit. There is enough blame to go around for at least Trump and Biden (maybe earlier). There were investigations and both fought the release of the documents.
"Administrations under both Donald Trump and Joe Biden fought the release of these records".
"The Biden administration has also kept open detention facilities that its own oversight agencies have recommended for closure in light of abusive conditions and safety risks.”
Sounds like the use of private prisons is a big problem which Biden campaigned on but didn't do anything about; And, since he knew it was a big problem that begs the question why he let so many more illegals into the Country. What exactly was the end game there?
Like I said the system is currently overwhelmed (because of Biden) which makes everything within the system more difficult. Not excusing any abuse and hopefully the Trump admin will look into and try to fix this ongoing problem.
It is par for the course for Presidents to grant pardons for people who have previously been convicted (like Trump did). It is not par for the course for Presidents to pardon people preemptively who maybe have, or might in the future commit a crime, including one's own family (like Biden did).
So a little fishing town wants to keep a CG chopper close by and they don't want a detention center in town, and that is all Biden's fault.
Got it.
I suggest that people not vote for Biden the next time he runs.
Actually, comparing a detainment camp to a torture chamber is false equivalence.
When do detainment camps become concentration camps?
And yes, I did just invoke Godwin's Law. It seems pretty relevant to this discussion and it seems to me to be a relevant question, especially as you seem to be "othering" the people who are in those camps regardless of who they are.
During the South African War (1899–1902) the British confined noncombatants of the republics of Transvaal and Cape Colony in concentration camps. Another instance of interning noncombatant civilians occurred shortly after the outbreak of hostilities between Japan and the United States (December 7, 1941), when more than 100,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans on the West Coast were taken into custody and placed in camps in the interior.
Political concentration camps instituted primarily to reinforce the state's control have been established in various forms under many totalitarian regimes—most extensively in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. (My bold).
It is not par for the course for Presidents to pardon people preemptively who maybe have, or might in the future commit a crime, including one's own family (like Biden did).
Yes but... Even over here in the UK, we could see that Trump would do anything he could to get at Biden and punish him for whatever imagined crime was committed. So pardoning people pre-emptively seems to me to be a good tactic to protect family, friends and colleagues. Especially against a president who pardoned proven rioters after January 6th.
When do detainment camps become concentration camps?
And yes, I did just invoke Godwin's Law. It seems pretty relevant to this discussion and it seems to me to be a relevant question, especially as you seem to be "othering" the people who are in those camps regardless of who they are.
During the South African War (1899–1902) the British confined noncombatants of the republics of Transvaal and Cape Colony in concentration camps. Another instance of interning noncombatant civilians occurred shortly after the outbreak of hostilities between Japan and the United States (December 7, 1941), when more than 100,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans on the West Coast were taken into custody and placed in camps in the interior.
Political concentration camps instituted primarily to reinforce the state's control have been established in various forms under many totalitarian regimes—most extensively in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. (My bold).
Detention centers, or "detainment camps" as you say, are to detain those who have broken our laws be entering or staying in our country illegally.
They seem very similar to Chinese, Russian and North Korean internment camps. People held without trial and in poor conditions.
Concentration camp, Detention centre, Detainment camp, Internment camp, Gulag. Just different names. You should really try to read some world history about these types of establishments. Why they were built.
Beerman said:
Hopefully, explanation isn't needed on how that differs from a concentration camp.
I don't see any difference except in a matter of degree. People are detained without due process, no legal representation, poor conditions and brutal treatment. Remind me again why that is different.
The camp in Texas known as Camp East Montana is at Fort Bliss, the site of a former Japanese concentration camp used during WWII to house Americans of Japanese descent and Japanese immigrants.
If these sites are so benign, why does ICE and DHS resist legal visits by US representatives?
They seem very similar to Chinese, Russian and North Korean internment camps. People held without trial and in poor conditions.
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I don't see any difference except in a matter of degree. People are detained without due process, no legal representation, poor conditions and brutal treatment. Remind me again why that is different.
Show me some facts.
I'll acknowledge there are some outlier cases out of the hundreds of thousands. But you and others are making comparisons to concentration camps and torture chambers. Where are they facts to back up those comparisons?
GrumpyRN said:
Concentration camp, Detention centre, Detainment camp, Internment camp, Gulag. Just different names. You should really try to read some world history about these types of establishments. Why they were built.
I told you the difference. I'll pass on additional reading unless you have something specific you'd like me to see that you think supports your opinion?
I'm curious as to what you think should happen to those who come here and/or stay here illegally?
The camp in Texas known as Camp East Montana is at Fort Bliss, the site of a former Japanese concentration camp used during WWII to house Americans of Japanese descent and Japanese immigrants.
Interesting, but irrelevant.
nursej22 said:
If these sites are so benign, why does ICE and DHS resist legal visits by US representatives?
Didn't I just recently read about Tlaib visiting one? It's supposedly one of the worst. She came out with a general accusation that people are housed in cages under dehumanizing conditions, without any specifics. And in the week since I haven't heard much about it from.her, let alone if she's doing anything about it.
And, I certainly havent heard anything that sounds like a torture chamber.
I asked you this awhile ago and I don't recall you answering. What do you think should happen with those who have entered and/or have stayed illegally?
And since you seem to have a finger on the pulse of Newport OR residents, how do you think the average citizen there might answer that question?
Frankly, I don't think any town should be forced to have those detention facilities. The reports from Chicago, Texas, and Florida about inhumane conditions is awful and I can't believe you think that is a good thing.
I'm guessing that one of the big complaints is overcrowding? But yet new facilities shouldn't be built?
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Sanctuary state=encourage illegal aliens (common sense)
Torture facilities= hardly worth a comment (if even that)
Illegal alien detainees=made a choice to come here illegally
Yes, I am sure mistakes are happening. But again the system is completely overwhelmed. Root cause= Democrats allowing millions of illegal aliens into the Country.
And, how many of those examples in the article do you think happen every day in our jails for citizens and even in our hospitals. Expired milk, oh the horror. I drink/eat expired items all the time. That said I don't want anyone to suffer but there is only so much money and resources and it obviously gets stretched too thin when we (the taxpayers) are paying for all these resources for illegal aliens.