This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Newport, OR is one of our favorite places to vacation, so I feel an ICE detention facility there to be especially galling. 

https://www.notus.org/immigration/ice-oregon-detention-facility-detainees-coast-guard

This sweet little coastal town does not want this, and especially doesn't want to lose the local Coast Guard station that protects the fishing fleet. 

That area is windy, cool, and rainy most of the time. I cannot imagine housing people in tents.

nursej22 said:

Newport, OR is one of our favorite places to vacation, so I feel an ICE detention facility there to be especially galling. 

https://www.notus.org/immigration/ice-oregon-detention-facility-detainees-coast-guard

This sweet little coastal town does not want this, and especially doesn't want to lose the local Coast Guard station that protects the fishing fleet. 

That area is windy, cool, and rainy most of the time. I cannot imagine housing people in tents.

I'll buy that the loss of the Coast Guard is a valid concern, if that's the plan.  Although the article doesnt go into the specifics of if that is the plan, how big a station it is, what other stations are close by, etc.  So, maybe that's not a big deal?

I certainly don't see how the ICE facility is going to have any effect on the daily lives of residents or on the tourism industry.

All things considered, sounds like faux outrage, again.  It's more about despising Trump then anything else.

 

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nursej22 said:

Newport, OR is one of our favorite places to vacation, so I feel an ICE detention facility there to be especially galling. 

https://www.notus.org/immigration/ice-oregon-detention-facility-detainees-coast-guard

This sweet little coastal town does not want this, and especially doesn't want to lose the local Coast Guard station that protects the fishing fleet. 

That area is windy, cool, and rainy most of the time. I cannot imagine housing people in tents.

While I do agree that Newport is a cute little town (been there a few times as well as Lincoln City) I don't see why they should be immune to having ICE detention facilities. Whose town do you think should have them? Which towns do you think want them? Oregon is a sanctuary state which encourages illegal immigration. Should states and cities that don't encourage people to come here illegally be forced to have those facilities? 
I think the bigger question is why we need so many ICE detention facilities to begin with; currently it is bc the Biden/Harris admin let so many illegals in the Country. At least Trump is trying to enforce the laws already on the books which is what the President is supposed to do. 
There would probably be more money for the Coast Guard/helicopters if the US wasn't spending so much money on their (illegal immigrants) expenses (150.7 billion/year). You can't have it both ways, as they say it's gotta give somewhere. 
 

https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-costs-us-billions-biden-administration-policy-impact-taxpayer-burden-1866555
 

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Daisy4RN said:

While I do agree that Newport is a cute little town (been there a few times as well as Lincoln City) I don't see why they should be immune to having ICE detention facilities. Whose town do you think should have them? Which towns do you think want them? Oregon is a sanctuary state which encourages illegal immigration. Should states and cities that don't encourage people to come here illegally be forced to have those facilities? 
I think the bigger question is why we need so many ICE detention facilities to begin with; currently it is bc the Biden/Harris admin let so many illegals in the Country. At least Trump is trying to enforce the laws already on the books which is what the President is supposed to do. 
There would probably be more money for the Coast Guard/helicopters if the US wasn't spending so much money on their (illegal immigrants) expenses (150.7 billion/year). You can't have it both ways, as they say it's gotta give somewhere. 
 

https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-costs-us-billions-biden-administration-policy-impact-taxpayer-burden-1866555
 

Do you have any to back up your claim that Oregon encourages illegal immigration? A sanctuary state means that local law enforcement does not participate in detaining undocumented immigrants and they do not house them in local jails. Is there something wrong with local police enforcing local laws and federal agencies enforcing federal law? 

Frankly, I don't think any town should be forced to have those detention facilities. The reports from Chicago, Texas, and Florida about inhumane conditions is awful and I can't believe you think that is a good thing. 

Your article relies on information from a group called FAIR who puts up some sketchy figures about the cost of undocumented immigrants. Undocumented people, as well as new immigrants and many asylums,  are not eligible for TANF, SNAP or Medicaid. Yes, they can be seen in ERs, but perhaps you think desperately ill people deserve to just suffer and die. 

DHS (which oversees the Coast Guard) got a got $190 billion to spend on enforcement in the Big Beautiful Bill. Maybe they should spend some of that on CG choppers and not on making videos of Sec. Noem (ICE Barbie). 

https://www.propublica.org/article/kristi-noem-dhs-ad-campaign-strategy-group

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Beerman said:

I'll buy that the loss of the Coast Guard is a valid concern, if that's the plan.  Although the article doesnt go into the specifics of if that is the plan, how big a station it is, what other stations are close by, etc.  So, maybe that's not a big deal?

I certainly don't see how the ICE facility is going to have any effect on the daily lives of residents or on the tourism industry.

All things considered, sounds like faux outrage, again.  It's more about despising Trump then anything else.

 

The Coast Guard chopper had been re-stationed to North Bend. If the chopper is warmed up, it is a 30 minute flight. Maybe that doesn't sound far, unless you are treading water in the icy Pacific. 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/coast-guard-helicopter-removal-possible-ice-facility-newport/283-dfe99a7a-e282-4546-8352-126e05e8c741

When I've visited Newport it doesn't seem very political. But they don't like people telling them their boating safety isn't a priority. And maybe they don't want a torture facility in their town. 

nursej22 said:

The Coast Guard chopper had been re-stationed to North Bend. If the chopper is warmed up, it is a 30 minute flight. Maybe that doesn't sound far, unless you are treading water in the icy Pacific. 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/coast-guard-helicopter-removal-possible-ice-facility-newport/283-dfe99a7a-e282-4546-8352-126e05e8c741

Unless the boaters and fisherman stay right off the coast of Newport, the fact that the chopper was relocated (temporarily as it turns out) a 30 minute flight from Newport is irrelevant as most boats actually travel either north or south.

What you missed, the article missed, and the Senators who wrote a letter missed was actually using facts to make a case for why the helicopter should be based in Newport and not somewhere else.  

That all being said, the Commander of the Coast Guard has said the chopper was temporarily relocated and may be again for staffing and maintenance issues and there are no plans to move it permanently.   I'm not sure if you left that part out on purpose, or you just didn't do your homework?

This "controversy " reminds me of something I heard around the time of the No Kings Rally.  Really, the only thing liberals do about anything is to be angry, which requires zero effort.  I've been meaning to make a longer post on that, which I still may do.

nursej22 said:

When I've visited Newport it doesn't seem very political. But they don't like people telling them their boating safety isn't a priority. And maybe they don't want a torture facility in their town. 

Torture facility?  This reminds me of the Lefty Lunatic Rhetoric discussed not long ago.

Having done some work in prisons, I'd be willing to bet the conditions at a new ICE facility are nicer then many if not all of the state prisons in Oregon that you've never given a thought about.

nursej22 said:

When I've visited Newport it doesn't seem very political. But they don't like people telling them their boating safety isn't a priority. And maybe they don't want a torture facility in their town. 

I did notice the residents of Newport are taking some action.  They're threatening fellow citizens such as hotel and restaurant owners with boycotts if they take contracts or business that in anyway support ICE operations.  

 

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Beerman said:

 

That all being said, the Commander of the Coast Guard has said the chopper was temporarily relocated and may be again for staffing and maintenance issues and there are no plans to move it permanently. 

Interesting that the acting commandant of the USCG made this statement after a federal lawsuit was filed, and Oregon's 2 senators and the US rep for that district became involved. I suppose he didn't know that there has been a law since 2014 requiring public meetings and congressional notification before relocation. 

https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2025/12/12/u-s-coast-guard-assures-oregon-lawmakers-of-newport-rescue-helicopters-return/

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Beerman said:

Having done some work in prisons, I'd be willing to bet the conditions at a new ICE facility are nicer then many if not all of the state prisons in Oregon that you've never given a thought about.

Prison inmates have been convicted of a crime. Detainees may or may not even have seen a judge before detainment. Comparing a prison to a detainment camp is a false equivalence , but you knew that. Just out of curiosity, during your work in a prison, did you ever deny an inmate insulin, or the use of a walker, ignore chest pain? 

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-detention-medical-ice-food-ossoff-investigation-e218486607c04040c94561699e1d0054

nursej22 said:

Interesting that the acting commandant of the USCG made this statement after a federal lawsuit was filed, and Oregon's 2 senators and the US rep for that district became involved. I suppose he didn't know that there has been a law since 2014 requiring public meetings and congressional notification before relocation. 

https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2025/12/12/u-s-coast-guard-assures-oregon-lawmakers-of-newport-rescue-helicopters-return/

Oh yes, the law put in place when Obama thought the helicopter should be moved.

Anyway, it's interesting that you assume he's lying when he said it was always his intent to return it for crab season.  I'm not sure why you're convinced it was moved for nefarious reasons.

It's just easier to always assume ill-intent, isn't it?  Anger requires no effort.

nursej22 said:

Prison inmates have been convicted of a crime. Detainees may or may not even have seen a judge before detainment. Comparing a prison to a detainment camp is a false equivalence , but you knew that. Just out of curiosity, during your work in a prison, did you ever deny an inmate insulin, or the use of a walker, ignore chest pain? 

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-detention-medical-ice-food-ossoff-investigation-e218486607c04040c94561699e1d0054

Actually, comparing a detainment camp to a torture chamber is false equivalence.

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