The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
What do you think should happen with those who have entered and/or have stayed illegally?
I don't know if you are trying to bait me, but I will make a serious answer to this.
First of all, not all of the detainees are people who have stayed or entered illegally. So all potential detainees should have a probable cause hearing. This is called due process and is guaranteed to everyone in the US. So people who have legally applied for asylum, green cards (such as military spouses), etc. should not have their cases cancelled and sent to a camp.
The country needs to reform the H1B visa process to allow more workers to come in and return to their countries of origin during off seasons. This would allow families to remain in their home country while the wage earner travels.
I think people who complete a tour of duty in one of the branches of the military should be offered permanent legal status and citizenship. And we should bring back so-called chain migration, so after background checks families can be reunited. It worked out for the First Lady's parents, if I recall.
If people have been here for an extended period of time without incident, such as the landscaper in California for 30 years, with the 3 Marine sons, they might pay a fine and or community service, and be allowed residency, again with proper background checks.
DACA recipients should have a pathway to citizenship.
Those with violent, felony convictions most definitely should be deported. I thought that was the promise? I don't recall the promise to deport children undergoing chemotherapy, preschool teachers, combat veterans or military spouses.
I don't know if you are trying to bait me, but I will make a serious answer to this.
First of all, not all of the detainees are people who have stayed or entered illegally. So all potential detainees should have a probable cause hearing. This is called due process and is guaranteed to everyone in the US. So people who have legally applied for asylum, green cards (such as military spouses), etc. should not have their cases cancelled and sent to a camp.
The country needs to reform the H1B visa process to allow more workers to come in and return to their countries of origin during off seasons. This would allow families to remain in their home country while the wage earner travels.
I think people who complete a tour of duty in one of the branches of the military should be offered permanent legal status and citizenship. And we should bring back so-called chain migration, so after background checks families can be reunited. It worked out for the First Lady's parents, if I recall.
If people have been here for an extended period of time without incident, such as the landscaper in California for 30 years, with the 3 Marine sons, they might pay a fine and or community service, and be allowed residency, again with proper background checks.
DACA recipients should have a pathway to citizenship.
Those with violent, felony convictions most definitely should be deported. I thought that was the promise? I don't recall the promise to deport children undergoing chemotherapy, preschool teachers, combat veterans or military spouses.
You didn't take my question as intended as most of your answer is about wanting reforms of our current laws. A better way I could have asked it was, how should we handle today's illegal immigrants within the framework of our existing laws?
It sounds like you're in favor of deporting only those who have been convicted of other serious crimes. Therefore, in your opinion there is no need for detention of most illegal immigrants. Come across or stay illegally, theyre good as long as they stay out of trouble?
So, when you make complaints against detention centers being built, I do have reason to believe that it's more about the concept of having detention centers at all vs how they are run.
Our immigration law already has due process. It's not as encompassing for non- citizens as it is for citizens, but it does exist.
Except for a tiny minority of cases, which I'll acknowledge is too many, due process is happening. If you have facts or evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
The rush to fulfill quotas and push people out is a huge part of the problem, so I think that needs to be dialed back. Yeah, maybe if someone is charged, they get a court date and get released if they are not a danger. We do that for other nonviolent crimes.
There seems to be this need to punish immigrants by forcing them into crowded facilities and denying basic civil rights. Why is that? The predominant religion does not command the stranger to be cast out. Our constitution does not order that immigrants must be treated harshly and expelled. It can't be because criminals must be punished when the administration has granted more pardons than any in history.
This is what happens when you let people who hate your County/values/people into said Country who do not have any intention of assimilating to said culture. This is why vetting and detaining are essential.
Islamic jihads shoot and kill Jewish people celebrating holiday on Bondi beach. Even with Australia's strict gun laws they were still able to commit this heinous act. So sad! Gun laws do not need to change, guns do not run around shooting themselves. People and societies need to change, consequences for crime need to be significantly changed and/or enforced.
While being interviewed after the shooting this genius was asked if they should do more about the hate speech coming from the Muslim Imans, he dances around the question and the reporter asks again to which he replies some nonsense about outlawing the Nazi salute.
Until western societies start to take this threat serious instead of being so concerned about being called a racist it will only get worse. It is reported the reason the Somalis were allowed to commit billions worth of fraud in Minnesota is bc they used the race card to which the investigators back down, and I am guessing this is why antisemitism is on the rise here in the US.
Something is broken in our societies and we definitely don't need to add any more criminals/bad elements than we already have. I really question why these types of so called random violence keep happening and am way more concerned about that than a few things that go wrong in detention centers. We need to enforce our laws and get bad people off the streets.
I could go on and on here but I think you get the picture. We need to fix our societies and stop with the lame excuses. The job of our (Western) governments is to protect us and keep us safe! At least Trump is trying to do that even if the Democrats fight him at every step.
Are you aware that a white woman, who I presume is US born, was convicted of fraud in one of the Minnesota cases? I don't see any mention of her in your citations.
You do know that Muslims have been part of country since before the Revolution, right?
Violent crime is horrible, and can't be excused. But it was once, in our country, after the Civil War. See Tulsa Race Riots, the Rosewood Massacre, and Ku Klux Klan lynchings.
Are you aware that a white woman, who I presume is US born, was convicted of fraud in one of the Minnesota cases? I don't see any mention of her in your citations.
You do know that Muslims have been part of country since before the Revolution, right?
Violent crime is horrible, and can't be excused. But it was once, in our country, after the Civil War. See Tulsa Race Riots, the Rosewood Massacre, and Ku Klux Klan lynchings.
Well it didn't take long for that race card to be played, but thank you Captain obvious for pointing out that white people commit crimes. The point is that the majority of the massive fraud case was perpetrated by Somalis and that the investigators backed down when they played the "you are racist" card which allowed the fraud to keep going on for years. Some of the ill gotten gains funds were then shipped back to Somali with at least part of it allegedly being siphoned off by terrorists first, and since they (conveniently) used informal means we will probably never know for sure if and how much.
Of course all those violent things you deflected...uh posted about... were wrong but we are talking about the here and now, does the past wrongs make the current ones OK.
And like I said our society is broken and we already have enough problems here without adding more criminals to the mix. We can help alleviate some of these problems with proper vetting (vs allowing people to merely walk across the border without knowing who they are) and detaining those who broke the law.
Another multi million fraud case involving the welfare system (which is of course tax payer dollars). These fraudsters were also apparently selling meals to people that were already paid for and meant to be given to poor people who needed food. I for one am glad that the Trump admin is going after people who break the law!!
The rush to fulfill quotas and push people out is a huge part of the problem, so I think that needs to be dialed back. Yeah, maybe if someone is charged, they get a court date and get released if they are not a danger. We do that for other nonviolent crimes.
I totally agree with what you're saying about the quotas.
Immigrants who are detained already can request a hearing. They must also prove they are not a flight risk and will appear for future proceedings and a judge can release them with or without a bond. I find it interesting that you aren't aware of this but yet espouse such strong opinions on the subject.
That hearing may take weeks or a month or two to happen. If you think that's too long, you should blame the last administration for not enforcing our laws, letting people flood across the border and thus overloading the system.
nursej22 said:
There seems to be this need to punish immigrants by forcing them into crowded facilities and denying basic civil rights. Why is that? The predominant religion does not command the stranger to be cast out. Our constitution does not order that immigrants must be treated harshly and expelled. It can't be because criminals must be punished when the administration has granted more pardons than any in history.
What is this need to be so cruel?
You still haven't provided any evidence that crowded facilities, deniel of basic human rights, deniel of due process, and cruelty are happening on a widespread basis.
Well it didn't take long for that race card to be played, but thank you Captain obvious for pointing out that white people commit crimes.
You repeatedly post articles about Somalis, and then one featuring men who are not white, and accuse me of playing the race card? Hahahahahaha, snort, hahahahaha.
If you are so concerned about Medicaid fraud, you should check into what's going on in Florida.
You still haven't provided any evidence that crowded facilities, deniel of basic human rights, deniel of due process, and cruelty are happening on a widespread basis.
I didn't realize that your standard for unacceptable treatment was that it had to be widespread. So a little abuse is acceptable? How much? Withholding medications from say, 10% of the population? Only a couple of people in "the box" at Alligator Alcatraz is fine, as long as it's not everyone?
Who would be assessing for overcrowding, denying rights and due process and cruelty? Are you relying on self-reports by the staff?
I was pleasantly shocked about Indiana but, of course, it is the home of Mike Pence who Trump must hate the most of all the white people in the world:) Michigan created a citizen represented redistricting plan and so far, no one is complaining. It took a couple of years to get it done but no one is complaining that it is unfair in an attempt to rig elections. IMHO, required citizen participation was the secret sauce.
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I don't know if you are trying to bait me, but I will make a serious answer to this.
First of all, not all of the detainees are people who have stayed or entered illegally. So all potential detainees should have a probable cause hearing. This is called due process and is guaranteed to everyone in the US. So people who have legally applied for asylum, green cards (such as military spouses), etc. should not have their cases cancelled and sent to a camp.
The country needs to reform the H1B visa process to allow more workers to come in and return to their countries of origin during off seasons. This would allow families to remain in their home country while the wage earner travels.
I think people who complete a tour of duty in one of the branches of the military should be offered permanent legal status and citizenship. And we should bring back so-called chain migration, so after background checks families can be reunited. It worked out for the First Lady's parents, if I recall.
If people have been here for an extended period of time without incident, such as the landscaper in California for 30 years, with the 3 Marine sons, they might pay a fine and or community service, and be allowed residency, again with proper background checks.
DACA recipients should have a pathway to citizenship.
Those with violent, felony convictions most definitely should be deported. I thought that was the promise? I don't recall the promise to deport children undergoing chemotherapy, preschool teachers, combat veterans or military spouses.