This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Beerman said:

Hmm.  The experts changed the type of vaccine used due to the skepticism of non experts.   Well, that's weird.

Oh, what do ya know.  There were actually legitimate safety concerns that led to the change.

"Immunization with the whole-cell pertussis vaccine (Pw), while effective at preventing whooping cough in infants, has been associated with local, systemic, and neuronal reactions, including fevers and convulsions in children."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC98454/

 

Later studies showed no longterm consequences after febrile seizures associated with DTP. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11547719/

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Conclusions: There are significantly elevated risks of febrile seizures on the day of receipt of DTP vaccine and 8 to 14 days after the receipt of MMR vaccine, but these risks do not appear to be associated with any long-term, adverse consequences.

And whole cell gives longer protection. 

nursej22 said:

Later studies showed no longterm consequences after febrile seizures associated with DTP. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11547719/

And whole cell gives longer protection. 

Your "later study" was published a month later and really wasn't a study on the same thing.

Anyway,  we'll just have to disagree.  I have a hard time believing that the CDC and vaccine manufacturers switched to a different vaccine for the purpose of satisfying vaccine skeptics. 

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Beerman said:

Your "later study" was published a month later and really wasn't a study on the same thing.

Anyway,  we'll just have to disagree.  I have a hard time believing that the CDC and vaccine manufacturers switched to a different vaccine for the purpose of satisfying vaccine skeptics. 

They switched because people weren't getting the vaccine. Reduced coverage was at least some coverage. 

nursej22 said:

They switched because people weren't getting the vaccine. Reduced coverage was at least some coverage. 

Nope.  Not from what I've read.

That doesn't even make sense.  Your saying it was believed that the experts thought that those who were afraid of the whole cell vaccine would get on board with a new acellular vaccine?  LOL.  So much for their expertise,  if that was to be true. 

Of course, it's not. 

Feel free to provide a source that says I'm wrong.

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Not surprising -- going after Liz Cheney.  Will contribute to her defense fund once set up.

Fox news 12/17/24

FBi should probe 'potential' Liz Cheney 'witness tampering' in Jan 6 matter, House Republicans say
 

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Former Rep. Liz Cheney is facing calls from GOP legislators that the FBI investigate her for "potential criminal witness tampering" related to her former role on the Jan. 6 House Select Committee, according to a report released Tuesday by House Administration Subcommittee on Oversight Chair Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Ga.

"Based on the evidence obtained by this Subcommittee, numerous federal laws were likely broken by Liz Cheney, the former Vice Chair of the January 6 Select Committee, and these violations should be investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation," states the report, which was provided to Fox Digital. "Evidence uncovered by the Subcommittee revealed that former Congresswoman Liz Cheney tampered with at least one witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, by secretly communicating with Hutchinson without Hutchinson's attorney's knowledge."...

 

 

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Cheney is a multi-millionaire.  Give your money to a charity that helps the poor, not her.  She can defend herself.

Anyway, as always I'll leave it up to the person making the charges to prove it and will accept what is legally found.  

Trump says they all should go to jail for their witch hunt, so they are going to be digging deep and hard to discredit the committee.  The new FBI director seems to support this idea.

Tweety said:

Cheney is a multi-millionaire.  Give your money to a charity that helps the poor, not her.  She can defend herself.

I was going to say something similar. 

I was also going to ask @NRSKarenRN if she is contributing because she is sympathetic to Cheney's innocence, or if she's giving support to Cheney because of the way she went after Trump?

Seeing how it's doubtful that any of us right now have an informed opinion on Cheney's guilt or innocence based on the law and evidence, it's probably the latter.

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Beerman said:

Hmm.  The experts changed the type of vaccine used due to the skepticism of non experts.   Well, that's weird.

Oh, what do ya know.  There were actually legitimate safety concerns that led to the change.

"Immunization with the whole-cell pertussis vaccine (Pw), while effective at preventing whooping cough in infants, has been associated with local, systemic, and neuronal reactions, including fevers and convulsions in children."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC98454/

 

It's a 2001 article about mice.

Meanwhile, the Matt Gaetz report will be released and Hershel Walker will become the Bahama's problem.  Interesting.

subee said:

It's a 2001 article about mice.

Meanwhile, the Matt Gaetz report will be released and Hershel Walker will become the Bahama's problem.  Interesting.

Never the less, it was published in a reputable journal and includes the passage I quoted. The time frame was from when the other member said the vaccine changed.  There are more recent articles online if you want to look.

Anyway, I'll put you in with those who believe the CDC and vaccine manufacturers changed course simply to appease the antivaxxers.

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/economy/dow-10-day-losing-streak/index.html

The Dow plunged 1100 points. That sucks. 

How will Donny explain this one away? Is that why he wants Canada to be the 51st state? 

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nursej22 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/economy/dow-10-day-losing-streak/index.html

The Dow plunged 1100 points. That sucks. 

How will Donny explain this one away? Is that why he wants Canada to be the 51st state? 

It's the 10th day in a row of Dow going down, something that hasn't happened since 1974.  But it's Biden's fault.  Trump rang the bell earlier this month to much enthusiasm.  It did very well under his watch last time.  Time will tell as some of his policies such as austerity and tariffs might prove a challenge.  But he did better than Biden when it came to the stock market.

It is what is it.  I think the feds announcing interest rates might not be cut sparked some of it today.  

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Beerman said:

I was going to say something similar. 

I was also going to ask @NRSKarenRN if she is contributing because she is sympathetic to Cheney's innocence, or if she's giving support to Cheney because of the way she went after Trump?

Seeing how it's doubtful that any of us right now have an informed opinion on Cheney's guilt or innocence based on the law and evidence, it's probably the latter.

The way she went after Trump and put herself on the chopping block sacrificing her career was heroic in many liberals eyes.  She can speak for herself but that's all we have right now.   

But I'm glad that guilt or innocence is based on law and evidence is important rather than immediate distrust in law and order because it's a witch hunt brought on by corrupt people. 

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