I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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heron said:
Gen. Mark Milley was trump's top military guy. He's been trying to retire, but Tuberville's block wouldn't let him be replaced. Dem senators got together and figured out a way to get around it and managed to get a few promotions done, including Milley's replacement. I'm reading that he's planning to testify in the Jan 6 trial.
At least once lately, trump has been hinting around about death penalties for rebellious members of the military. It was one of his truth social posts. Milley is talking back and telling Jack Smith what he knows.
I was confused because I thought Milley was army, not marines. Clearly, Milley isn't afraid of Trump's power within the republican party or among the violent miscreants that feel motivated to act out Trump's crazy thinking.
Georgia state Sen. Colton Moore, who demanded a special session of the Legislature for an investigation of Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D), was indefinitely suspended from the chamber's GOP caucus Thursday.
"Despite the fact 32 of 33 Republican State Senators, the Governor, Lt. Governor, Speaker of the House, and the Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party agree that a Special Session to take action against the Fulton County District Attorney is impossible, Senator Moore has a right to his opinion,” according to a statement posted to X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, by the Georgia Senate Republicans.
"However, during his advocacy for his ill-conceived proposal, Senator Moore has knowingly misled people across Georgia and our nation, causing unnecessary tension and hostility, while putting his Caucus colleagues and their families at risk of personal harm,” the statement continued.
Wow. The Georgia Republicans are not playing that game about using constituent concern, that was intentionally stoked by lies and misinformation, as motivation for undermining democracy like so many other Republicans are.
You're right, I goofed. Still waiting with great anticipation to hear what he has to say. He is being credited with keeping our armed forces out of the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election as well as calming Chinese fears of possible attack.
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heron said:
You're right, I goofed. Still waiting with great anticipation to hear what he has to say.
I thought it was entirely possible that the desperate conman caught up in legal troubles had disparaged yet another high ranking member of the military, this time a marine.
It's funny how the GOP will just allow Trump to destroy all of their old affiliations and associations in his mental illness. Thanks to Trump, the GOP can no longer claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility, or family values, or of law and order without expecting genuine laughter in response. Now it's going to be difficult for them to project the idea that the party of Trump is pro military when it's evident that the party of Trump baseline expectation is pro fealty to Trump.
I thought it was entirely possible that the desperate conman caught up in legal troubles had disparaged yet another high ranking member of the military, this time a marine.
It's funny how the GOP will just allow Trump to destroy all of their old affiliations and associations in his mental illness. Thanks to Trump, the GOP can no longer claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility, or family values, or of law and order without expecting genuine laughter in response. Now it's going to be difficult for them to project the idea that the party of Trump is pro military when it's evident that the party of Trump baseline expectation is pro fealty to Trump.
Marines run in my family, so I'm inclined to credit them with exceptional performance even when they had nothing to do with it. My bad.
But back to the large discussion. It's not just about disparagement of the military. One of the foundational principles of our democracy is the bar against the military becoming the tool of any one political movement or individual seeking power.
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chare said:
Credited by whom?
Former Trump admin staff + military personnel --some which I heard/observed during news interview shows, historical records reviewed and some provided to January 6th committee hearings -- every one I watched on CSPAN , book authors and info contained in this article
How General Mark Milley protected the Constitution from Donald Trump
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...These nuclear weapons are under the control of the 91st Missile Wing of the Air Force Global Strike Command, and it was to the 91st—the "Rough Riders”—that General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, paid a visit in March 2021. I accompanied him on the trip. A little more than two months had passed since the January 6 attack on the Capitol, and America's nuclear orificenal was on Milley's mind.
In normal times, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the principal military adviser to the president, is supposed to focus his attention on America's national-security challenges, and on the readiness and lethality of its armed forces. But the first 16 months of Milley's term, a period that ended when Joe Biden succeeded Donald Trump as president, were not normal, because Trump was exceptionally unfit to serve. "For more than 200 years, the assumption in this country was that we would have a stable person as president,” one of Milley's mentors, the retired three-star general James Dubik, told me. That this assumption did not hold true during the Trump administration presented a "unique challenge" for Milley, Dubik said.
Milley was careful to refrain from commenting publicly on Trump's cognitive unfitness and moral derangement. In interviews, he would say that it is not the place of the nation's flag officers to discuss the performance of the nation's civilian leaders.
But his views emerged in a number of books published after Trump left office, written by authors who had spoken with Milley, and many other civilian and military officials, on background. In The Divider, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser write that Milley believed that Trump was "shameful,” and "complicit" in the January 6 attack. They also reported that Milley feared that Trump's " 'Hitler-like' embrace of the big lie about the election would prompt the president to seek out a 'Reichstag moment.’ "
....Twenty men have served as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs since the position was created after World War II. Until Milley, none had been forced to confront the possibility that a president would try to foment or provoke a coup in order to illegally remain in office. A plain reading of the record shows that in the chaotic period before and after the 2020 election, Milley did as much as, or more than, any other American to defend the constitutional order, to prevent the military from being deployed against the American people, and to forestall the eruption of wars with America's nuclear-armed adversaries. Along the way, Milley deflected Trump's exhortations to have the U.S. military ignore, and even on occasion commit, war crimes. Milley and other military officers deserve praise for protecting democracy, but their actions should also cause deep unease. In the American system, it is the voters, the courts, and Congress that are meant to serve as checks on a president's behavior, not the generals. ...
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heron said:
Marines run in my family, so I'm inclined to credit them with exceptional performance even when they had nothing to do with it. My bad.
But back to the large discussion. It's not just about disparagement of the military. One of the foundational principles of our democracy is the bar against the military becoming the tool of any one political movement or individual seeking power.
Did the military have anything to do with the prep and response to January 6th threats? Trump wanted the Guard there to protect the insurrectionists, right? The military didn't want to give the appearance that they were involved in a military coup or to have them shooting civilians as happened at in Ohio years ago.
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Just in case anyone wanted a reminder of the lies and personal attacks that make up the bulk of Trump's remarks. It's especially poignant when Trump talks about returning law and order to California at the 58:10 mark.
My ears perked up when Trump talked about getting all the water from the north for California to dampen the ground. Where is the said water, 'cause I know that Oregon and Washington, north of California sure don't have enough. Plus, we've been burning most of the Summer.
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I was confused because I thought Milley was army, not marines. Clearly, Milley isn't afraid of Trump's power within the republican party or among the violent miscreants that feel motivated to act out Trump's crazy thinking.