I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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heron said:
No, I'm saying that the particular talking point you refer to involves considerable editing out of relevant context in order to point the finger at Biden. See also the phony email presented as proof of corruption in the Biden impeachment hearing. Google "Byron Donalds James Biden text message".
There's not much that was presented as evidence by the republican representatives that was credible or convincing. Their witnesses were not fact witnesses and all of those witnesses agreed that these hearings are a fishing expedition, an attempt to find the evidence of fire to support the smoke that the MAGA Republicans are blowing in everyone's faces. They each said that there is no evidence currently held by Republicans which justify impeachment of Joe Biden. The House Republicans are simply trying to make it seem like Trump's impeachments and unprecedented corruption are just business as usual, that Biden is just as dishonest as Trump.
Even without evidence, millions will believe and repeat those words because propaganda works.
No kidding? Then why did you say that the Biden administration was a mess? Was it because the Trump voter changed the subject?
Yes, I was responding to a question he answered that you asked. So if you have a problem with the subject being changed, then why engage him.
I do however, understand why you would call me out though. But really engaging in a change of subject yourself but criticizing me if lame, but I can handle it. LOL
For the record, I was defending Biden who was accused of ignoring the border. It's an idea that is widely held. I heard it today on Fox News "Biden is blaming congress for the border crisis and is doing nothing". What I said was "I don't blame Republicans for using the border situation against him. It's been a mess since he was elected." I do wish they'd be a little more honest and less rhetoric about it though.
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Tweety said:
Yes, I was responding to a question he answered that you asked. So if you have a problem with the subject being changed, then why engage him.
I do however, understand why you would call me out though. But really engaging in a change of subject yourself but criticizing me if lame, but I can handle it. LOL
For the record, I was defending Biden who was accused of ignoring the border. It's an idea that is widely held. I heard it today on Fox News "Biden is blaming congress for the border crisis and is doing nothing". What I said was "I don't blame Republicans for using the border situation against him. It's been a mess since he was elected." I do wish they'd be a little more honest and less rhetoric about it though.
Yep. It's a communication strategy to repeat back what you have heard regardless of veracity. I recognize that. We learned it decades ago in nursing school.
I didn't criticize you for changing the subject. I invited you to do what you just did, to explain why you would refer to the Biden administration as "a mess" in a generalized and nonspecific way. The reason that you repeat the right wing rhetoric is not because you believe it but because you are acknowledging that conservative media and voters believe and repeat it. Of course they say it on Fox, Fox is more engaged in misinformation, partial information and promoting outright lies than they were before Trump.
It's perfectly acceptable to compare our presidents in terms of their politics and rhetoric and records of achievement. Just throwing around language like "a mess" isn't a discussion or comparison. I'm always hoping for something more substantive from Trump voters.
It's perfectly acceptable to compare our presidents in terms of their politics and rhetoric and records of achievement. Just throwing around language like "a mess" isn't a discussion or comparison. I'm always hoping for something more substantive from Trump voters.
My point wasn't to compare Biden's border situation with Trump but to address a statement made by Beerman and I cited a reference to back myself up.
Problems at the border have occurred for decades. "While migrant apprehensions have reached record levels under Biden, overall illegal border crossings were higher in the early 2000s, when Border Patrol had fewer agents and technology to apprehend individuals, including those seeking to evade detection.". Trump has turned it into a top issue for voters striking fear by saying we were being invaded and that they come from shite hole countries, etc.
Trump had his own situation with a surge in 2019 but covid came along to help him so it's a bit hard to compare the two. Biden has dealt with record numbers, including record numbers of arrests, I don't necessarily blame Biden. There was a downward trend for a couple of months but the situation in Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba have escalated things.
Clearly the situation has grown since Biden has taken office and a casual description of "it's a mess" is where I'm going to leave it because as you said this is the Trump thread and we've rehashed the border situation many times already.
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Tweety said:
My point wasn't to compare Biden's border situation with Trump but to address a statement made by Beerman and I cited a reference to back myself up.
Problems at the border have occurred for decades. "While migrant apprehensions have reached record levels under Biden, overall illegal border crossings were higher in the early 2000s, when Border Patrol had fewer agents and technology to apprehend individuals, including those seeking to evade detection.". Trump has turned it into a top issue for voters striking fear by saying we were being invaded and that they come from shite hole countries, etc.
Trump had his own situation with a surge in 2019 but covid came along to help him so it's a bit hard to compare the two. Biden has dealt with record numbers, including record numbers of arrests, I don't necessarily blame Biden. There was a downward trend for a couple of months but the situation in Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba have escalated things.
Clearly the situation has grown since Biden has taken office and a casual description of "it's a mess" is where I'm going to leave it because as you said this is the Trump thread and we've rehashed the border situation many times already.
You actually explained in the earlier comment, but the additional discussion is always interesting.
We have to rehash immigration periodically because it's one of the main criticisms of Biden from the GOP. As you pointed out, numbers of people coming to our southern border have increased since Biden's election. That coincides with right wing politicians and media voices publicizing and broadcasting the message that the border is open. Numbers also increased after the Trump administration slashed aid to central American countries, right?
You actually explained in the earlier comment, but the additional discussion is always interesting.
We have to rehash immigration periodically because it's one of the main criticisms of Biden from the GOP. As you pointed out, numbers of people coming to our southern border have increased since Biden's election. That coincides with right wing politicians and media voices publicizing and broadcasting the message that the border is open. Numbers also increased after the Trump administration slashed aid to central American countries, right?
There was the idea that it would spur an increase in immigration but not sure it did. But it certainly didn't seem to slow it down. He later used humanitarian aid to the region as a weapon putting conditions on it. I don't think he's unique in that.
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Tweety said:
There was the idea that it would spur an increase in immigration but not sure it did. But it certainly didn't seem to slow it down. He later used humanitarian aid to the region as a weapon putting conditions on it. I don't think he's unique in that.
Trump was pretty consistent in his attempt to weaponize government agencies and he's promised more of that if re-elected.
But as the Trump tenure nears its end, analysis of immigration data shows that, despite public perception to the contrary, the administration's policies have not led to a marked drop in the number of permanent immigrants, temporary foreign workers, international students, and those receiving asylum in the United States—at least not yet. In other words, with the exception of refugee admissions, there has not been a dramatic, across-the-board "Trump effect" attributable either to the administration's policies or rhetoric on immigration levels.
The Trump effect is basically to lie and lie again,, and then repeat those lies while lying about other political policy on immigration and blaming any failures or issues on the Democrat who beat Trump in the election. It's a successful strategy that is often bolstered by media repeating all or some of the lies because it seems important that so many people are repeating and believing the lies.
Right wing authoritarians always make immigrants or other minority or marginalized groups part of the "others" that are identified as enemies to their cause. We've seen how that works out, historically.
I really couldn't bear to listen. His claim that businesses are leaving New York because of judges is false. For businesses leaving New York, it's all about the money. It's always about the money. If it's cheaper to do business in Florida and to move a business there that's what businesses will do. One thing about states like Texas and Florida, is they try to be business friendly. In Florida though they don't like woke companies and aren't trying to attract business out of California like the tech industry and certainly not the film industry.
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"It's really death by a thousand cuts in New York State. What we see is fees, taxes, surcharges on just about everything and overtime that adds up right? And then you look at what your competition is doing in another state and you say 'You know what I'm at a competitive disadvantage being here in New York; if I relocate you get to keep more of what you earn, more what you worked for,'” said Wilcox.
Rahul Jain, Deputy Comptroller for the city of New York said this is something to say on top of, but not a "sky-is-falling" scenario. Jain said there's actually more wealth now than there was two years ago, with more assets to manage, "But there's also the question of how big the total pie is – in terms of the total pie, the states assets under management still remains very healthy and bigger than it was before.”
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In some of Trump's comments he said something to the effect that these large variations in valuation or Sq footage is just typical real-estate practice. I chuckled, thinking to my self that maybe typical real-estate practice is in conflict with the law.
In some of Trump's comments he said something to the effect that these large variations in valuation or Sq footage is just typical real-estate practice. I chuckled, thinking to my self that maybe typical real-estate practice is in conflict with the law.
Yet, he isn't being charged criminally in that case. Have you figured out who the victims are yet?
These were savvy business people he was making deals with. They likely did their due diligence. And, no one is claiming they lost money or were defrauded, have they?
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Beerman said:
Yet, he isn't being charged criminally in that case. Have you figured out who the victims are yet?
These were savvy business people he was making deals with. They likely did their due diligence. And, no one is claiming they lost money or were defrauded, have they?
Correct, it's not a criminal case. Is there some specific relevance to that? It's not like Trump really needs another criminal case brought against him or that it matters to his fan base, right?
You still seem to be confused about why the state might have an interest in whether businesses lie and cheat in their dealings within the state. Meanwhile, there was a summary judgement that found that Trump did, in fact, overstate property values and his net worth. Next is the bench trial where the state tries to prove that he committed things like insurance fraud or falsification of records.
So far the judge in the case has characterized some of the defense as coming from a fantasy world.
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There's not much that was presented as evidence by the republican representatives that was credible or convincing. Their witnesses were not fact witnesses and all of those witnesses agreed that these hearings are a fishing expedition, an attempt to find the evidence of fire to support the smoke that the MAGA Republicans are blowing in everyone's faces. They each said that there is no evidence currently held by Republicans which justify impeachment of Joe Biden. The House Republicans are simply trying to make it seem like Trump's impeachments and unprecedented corruption are just business as usual, that Biden is just as dishonest as Trump.
Even without evidence, millions will believe and repeat those words because propaganda works.