I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Who is all self-righteous ? Long-time journalist David Cay Johnson? Zillow? Me?
That's an awfully large error. And the price difference between the reportedly price and the value is eye-popping. I wonder where those numbers came from.
It's not like the Trump family has never been "incorrect" about real estate or business deals.
The "long-time journalist" reported something as fact that wasn't true, and then speculated there was a crime being committed without saying what that might be.
Of course we see how titillating it was to some Trump-haters who were all too happy to run with it.
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nursej22 said:
Who is all self-righteous ? Long-time journalist David Cay Johnson? Zillow? Me?
That's an awfully large error. And the price difference between the reportedly price and the value is eye-popping. I wonder where those numbers came from.
It's not like the Trump family has never been "incorrect" about real estate or business deals.
I'm pretty sure there are court findings that Trump family utterances and claims relative to business, property or charity are too often false.
Who is all self-righteous ? Long-time journalist David Cay Johnson? Zillow? Me?
That's an awfully large error. And the price difference between the reportedly price and the value is eye-popping. I wonder where those numbers came from.
It's not like the Trump family has never been "incorrect" about real estate or business deals.
Of course we see how titillating it was to some Trump-haters who were all too happy to run with it.
I do think the story should have been substantiated before running with with it. But it's not a "titillating" reaction. It's almost a logical reaction considering Trump faces nearly 80 felony charges in his indictments.
Who is all self-righteous ? Long-time journalist David Cay Johnson? Zillow? Me?
That's an awfully large error. And the price difference between the reportedly price and the value is eye-popping. I wonder where those numbers came from.
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Yes, it is. The reported sale price was 17.53 times the Zestimate. Regardless of where those numbers came from, as @Tweety wrote "if it sounds to crazy to be true, it probably isn't." After seeing your post this morning it took considerably less than 1 minute to discover this was false.
Mr. Johnston's post or has 20.3 thousand likes, 7621 reposts, 1035 quotes, and 936 bookmarks. And what really amazes me with all of this? Mr. Johnston's post was timestamped 9:59 AM; 4.5 hours after the Newsweek article I took the quote from.
nursej22 said:
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It's not like the Trump family has never been "incorrect" about real estate or business deals.
True. But what has me gobsmacked is how quickly, and without any effort at all to verify an obscenely absurd story, people let their hatred of Mr. Trump cloud their judgement.
True. But what has me gobsmacked is how quickly, and without any effort at all to verify an obscenely absurd story, people let their hatred of Mr. Trump cloud their judgement.
I can't tell you how to feel. I found the story outrageous and would have waited but given the number of crimes he's accused of was certainly not "gobsmacked" and quickly people were to jump the gun. As I mentioned to Beerman, it's almost a reasonable response and doesn't have much to do with hatred of him, but looking at him realistically. In my opinion of course.
That's rich, being lectured about "hate" after all the damage done to this country since the inception of the Southern Strategy, Gingrich's "contract with America" and Rove's "durable Republican majority". The rise of trump and his magaloons is just the predictable outcome of the Republican decision to abandon good faith debate and resort to culture wars and system-rigging to get their way. 50 years of Republican-sponsored hate.
As other users have pointed out, we have good - and provable - reasons to believe the worst of trump.
Personally, I was skeptical about the reports of the sale, simply because trump has never used his used his own money if he didn't have to. Anybody wanna buy an NFT?
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chare said:
Do you know that Mr. Trump, or a member of his family, made this claim? Or is this another unsourced, wild ***ED assumption that fits your worldview?
Made what claim? The price of the property? Nope, don't know that but it would most definitely fit with their historic behaviors relative to property valuations. A case was brought against the family by Leticia James for lying about property values, remember?
The notion that we might suspect the Trump's of dishonesty because of known dishonesty in the past seems to really bother the people who have nothing to say about the breathless claims made about Trump's political opposition with zero evidence to support the claims. But that's standard in the era of Trump.
A few years back Trump mused that he could shoot someone in the street and he wouldn't lose votes. He and his voters seem to have forgotten that the rule of law might have something besides votes for intentional law breakers. Trump is reaping what he has sown. Part of what he has sown is this, a long history of lying and cheating. We should learn from his history.
The notion that we might suspect the Trump's of dishonesty because of known dishonesty in the past seems to really bother the people who have nothing to say about the breathless claims made about Trump's political opposition with zero evidence to support the claims. But that's standard in the era of Trump.
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Since you quoted me with this response I presume this is directed to me.
Please be aware that I'm well aware of Mr. Trump's history. And the fact that you, and others, suspect the Trumps of dishonesty doesn't bother me at all. When I read a claim, particularly one as farfetched as this one, I try to refrain from coming to a conclusion until I have enough data to make a decision. And I get this data from sources both the left and right.
What does bother me is that some apparently read and, were apparently more than willing to not only belive this, but to further propagate it.
What does bother me is that some apparently read and, were apparently more than willing to not only belive this, but to further propagate it.
I suppose this is directed at me. Yes, I reposted a tweet, that had a screen shot of a Zillow posting. Is this propagating?
That posting turned out to be false. Zillow says it given false information. OK. That doesn't refute the fact that the Trumps have a troubling business past, ie Trump University, the Trump Foundation, and the aforementioned lawsuit being conducted in NY State. But sure, Trump is the victim, yet again.
I suppose this is directed at me. Yes, I reposteda tweet, that had a screen shot of a Zillow posting. Is this propagating?
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Yes, it was directed to you. And yes, in my opinion it is propagating. And, a story that had been debunked hours before it being posted by Mr. Johnston.
nursej22 said:
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That posting turned out to be false. Zillow says it given false information. OK. That doesn't refute the fact that the Trumps have a troubling business past, ie Trump University, the Trump Foundation, and the aforementioned lawsuit being conducted in NY State. ...
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I'm well aware that the Trumps in general, and Mr. Trump in particular, have a troubling past. However, this has no bearing on this story, other than as I wrote in a previous post, it fit nicely with your opinion of Mr. Trump and you were more than willing to post it.
nursej22 said:
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... But sure, Trump is the victim, yet again.
Wah, wah.
Please show me where in this, or any other post, I either suggested that Mr. Trump was a victim or tried to defend his actions.
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The "long-time journalist" reported something as fact that wasn't true, and then speculated there was a crime being committed without saying what that might be.
Of course we see how titillating it was to some Trump-haters who were all too happy to run with it.