I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
He is and there is nothing wrong with Chare point that out.
Like I said, I can't blame people for believing it and running with it given his history of indictments. That he would be involved in something else untoward isn't out of the stretch of possibility.
His son told Breibart: "A lot of media outlets should be embarrassed with themselves for running such a phony story, but we all know that most of them won't even retract their reports because they have no shame. SAD!"
Not true, as most outlets have posted about the correction but these kinds of mistakes just gives them fuel against the media and the left.
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chare said:
Since you quoted me with this response I presume this is directed to me.
Please be aware that I'm well aware of Mr. Trump's history. And the fact that you, and others, suspect the Trumps of dishonesty doesn't bother me at all. When I read a claim, particularly one as farfetched as this one, I try to refrain from coming to a conclusion until I have enough data to make a decision. And I get this data from sources both the left and right.
What does bother me is that some apparently read and, were apparently more than willing to not only belive this, but to further propagate it.
chare said:
Since you quoted me with this response I presume this is directed to me.
Please be aware that I'm well aware of Mr. Trump's history. And the fact that you, and others, suspect the Trumps of dishonesty doesn't bother me at all. When I read a claim, particularly one as farfetched as this one, I try to refrain from coming to a conclusion until I have enough data to make a decision. And I get this data from sources both the left and right.
What does bother me is that some apparently read and, were apparently more than willing to not only belive this, but to further propagate it.
Presume away.
You haven't said what you think is far fetched about the idea that Trump might try to game a system in his favor, particularly where real estate is involved.
Isn't it funny what people will believe? Like they'll even believe crazy things like Joe Biden is a crime family boss or that there were odd things going on in the 2020 election or that these indictments of Trump are politically motivated. Those things have been propagated in these threads, not that Trump Sold his property. An interesting thing was brought to the thread, about Trump and it was debunked. No propagation. Lots of talk about how Trump is untrustworthy, has a history of dishonesty, etc. You get to choose what bothers you.
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Tweety said:
He is and there is nothing wrong with Chare point that out.
Like I said, I can't blame people for believing it and running with it given his history of indictments. That he would be involved in something else untoward isn't out of the stretch of possibility.
His son told Breibart: "A lot of media outlets should be embarrassed with themselves for running such a phony story, but we all know that most of them won't even retract their reports because they have no shame. SAD!"
Not true, as most outlets have posted about the correction but these kinds of mistakes just gives them fuel against the media and the left.
My only exposure to this bit of speculation about the estate came courtesy of this thread.
DJTJ etc al don't need actual "mistakes" in the conservative world of "stop the steal" and other right wing lies and fabrications. By now you've noticed that if it's talked about on right wing radio or published in right wing internet media with passion and conviction, the nonsense WILL be propagated as gospel by a very healthy percentage of GOP voters. Just like DJTJs audience won't know that he's lying about retractions (what media ran with this story?) they won't know when he lies to them about something else.
You haven't said what you think is far fetched about the idea that Trump might try to game a system in his favor, particularly where real estate is involved.
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No, I haven't. And considering that this wasn't the subject of my post I'm not going to.
Still, some of us are bothered by many things but when talking about one subject that we're bothered about, we like to stay on that topic while you ignore the topic and go off on one of your tangents. That doesn't mean we're not bothered by your tangent, but just don't want to engage.
I get it, you like to debate and ask questions. Just don't make presumptions when people don't answer.
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Tweety said:
True.
Still, some of us are bothered by many things but when talking about one subject that we're bothered about, we like to stay on that topic while you ignore the topic and go off on one of your tangents. That doesn't mean we're not bothered by your tangent, but just don't want to engage.
I get it, you like to debate and ask questions. Just don't make presumptions when people don't answer.
So I'm not allowed to make presumptions? Is that a new rule? Do I have to ask if I should presume or announce a presumption or maybe just no presumptions specifically about unanswered questions.
Because I'm grieving and probably feeling a bit cantankerous, I'll moderate myself, and presume that you're "not making presumptions" advice was more generic, applying to everyone rather than specific to me. But, it really doesn't read that way.
This is the Trump thread. It's not off topic to talk about Trump in this thread. Trump is a really wide topic with lots of dishonesty and scheming and corruption involving lots of people.
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chare said:
No, I haven't. And considering that this wasn't the subject of my post I'm not going to.
OK. Just wondering about the descriptive words that you chose.
It's not really wild speculation to suspect that Trump would be engaged in shady real estate shenanigans. It is irresponsible for journalists and serious media to report unsubstantiated information.
I didn't catch which media reported this and needed to retract. Was it any major outlet?
I didn't catch which media reported this and needed to retract. Was it any major outlet?
I've no idea where the story originated. After seeing @nursej22's post and Googling it I saw several articles stating that Zillow had updated their site to reflect that it hadn't sold and wasn't on the market. However, I was unable to find which source first published the story.
You haven't said what you think is far fetched about the idea that Trump might try to game a system in his favor, particularly where real estate is involved.
Isn't it funny what people will believe? Like they'll even believe crazy things like Joe Biden is a crime family boss or that there were odd things going on in the 2020 election or that these indictments of Trump are politically motivated. Those things have been propagated in these threads, not that Trump Sold his property. An interesting thing was brought to the thread, about Trump and it was debunked. No propagation. Lots of talk about how Trump is untrustworthy, has a history of dishonesty, etc. You get to choose what bothers you.
NurseJ22 posted a screenshot of a Tweet that contained false information that was spread widely.
This Tweet was from a professional investigative journalist who has written books on Trump and is a contributor on CNN and many liberal websites.
This false information wasn't something that would have been difficult to verify if it was true.
Not only that, he suggested something nefarious or criminal was going. It's still unclear what that is, specifically. Anyone know?
We're supposed to believe this reporter was simply being careless?
And, according to you, it's all OK because even if it's false, it's believable.
Interesting you'd make such comments after all the bloviating you do about how easily conservatives are indoctrinated by right wing media who purposely spread false information.
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Beerman said:
NurseJ22 posted a screenshot of a Tweet that contained false information that was spread widely.
This Tweet was from a professional investigative journalist who has written books on Trump and is a contributor on CNN and many liberal websites.
This false information wasn't something that would have been difficult to verify if it was true.
Not only that, he suggested something nefarious or criminal was going. It's still unclear what that is, specifically. Anyone know?
We're supposed to believe this reporter was simply being careless?
And, according to you, it's all OK because even if it's false, it's believable.
Interesting you'd make such comments after all the bloviating you do about how easily conservatives are indoctrinated by right wing media who purposely spread false information.
You can believe what you want.
The behavior you describe might be described using a variety of adjectives. Careless wasn't one that I chose. Your language suggests that someone wants you to think it careless. That's interesting.
You are mistaken, I didn't say that it was all OK. Oops. That's makes your last acerbic commentary look particularly personal and petty, claiming that I said things that I haven't.
Please, if you are going to criticize my remarks and try to use them to insult me, at least get the context and language correct.
You seem pretty bothered by this whole story, bloviating was a good word though.
The behavior you describe might be described using a variety of adjectives. Careless wasn't one that I chose. Your language suggests that someone wants you to think it careless. That's interesting.
You are mistaken, I didn't say that it was all OK. Oops. That's makes your last acerbic commentary look particularly personal and petty, claiming that I said things that I haven't.
Please, if you are going to criticize my remarks and try to use them to insult me, at least get the context and language correct.
You seem pretty bothered by this whole story, bloviating was a good word though.
You don't understand. I don't at all believe it was a careless mistake. It was a purposeful move to spread a false rumor. And, as I said, he is also a frequent contributer to liberal media outlets and has written articles and books about Trump. I'll bet you this episode doesn't hurt his credibility with that crowd one bit.
Most of your remarks on this topic were about Trump and how it wouldn't be surprising if the post was true. You don't seem bothered at all by this story. Now I better understand some of the projecting you do in these threads.
Not sure why you think that post was insulting you.
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Beerman said:
You don't understand. I don't at all believe it was a careless mistake. It was a purposeful move to spread a false rumor. And, as I said, he is also a frequent contributer to liberal media outlets and has written articles and books about Trump. I'll bet you this episode doesn't hurt his credibility with that crowd one bit.
Most of your remarks on this topic were about Trump and how it wouldn't be surprising if the post was true. You don't seem bothered at all by this story. Now I better understand some of the projecting you do in these threads.
Not sure why you think that post was insulting you.
Correct. You may believe what you prefer.
A purposeful move to spread a false rumor that won't hurt the fellow's credibility with his fan base you surmise? Oh my goodness, that sounds a bit like the guy that is the topic of this thread, doesn't it? Except that this guy's misinformation isn't as dangerous as the topic of this threads misinformation is. Speculating about Trump's dishonesty doesn't really seem to be as bad as lying about an election or a pandemic, but we have different ideas about which lies are worth worrying about. You are probably correct, intentionally and directly lying to people in 2023 doesn't seem to phase their popularity, look at Tucker Carlson, for instance. He lied as a matter of routine to his audience and ended up (with a host of other liars) costing his employer a gazillion dollars. His fan base still love him. So, you'll get no argument from me on that note.
Yes, most of my remarks on this topic are about Trump as he is the topic of this entire thread, that's supposed to be the foundation of all discussion here. If the article or discussion isn't about Trump then it doesn't belong in this thread, right? No, I wouldn't be surprised to discover that Trump was engaged in shady real estate shenanigans, that is a portion of his many current legal troubles.
Am I supposed to be bothered by this man posting one incorrect story or do you have a Fox like pattern to discuss at this time?
I wonder if you think Trump uses projection. Do you see any projection in Trump's messaging? I'm not really the topic of the thread but we could talk about Trump's dangerous projection.
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He is and there is nothing wrong with Chare point that out.
Like I said, I can't blame people for believing it and running with it given his history of indictments. That he would be involved in something else untoward isn't out of the stretch of possibility.
His son told Breibart: "A lot of media outlets should be embarrassed with themselves for running such a phony story, but we all know that most of them won't even retract their reports because they have no shame. SAD!"
Not true, as most outlets have posted about the correction but these kinds of mistakes just gives them fuel against the media and the left.