So, It's Come To This...

guest1163268 · Sep 4, 2021

So didn't you guys know that the NRA and Charlton Heston's estate are the owners of this facility? They have set up a manufacturing process for a highly nutritious meal bar called, 'Soylent Green' that replaces your meals.

It's been sold on the Glen Beck and Tucker Carlson's website and MJT and Gaetz plus the Pillow guy with Rudi Van Helsing Giuliani are currently in the studio filming adverts for it. You have to be a registered anti vaxxer or republican to purchase them however ?????, they say it tastes like chicken ?????

Charlcie, BSN, RN · Sep 4, 2021

2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

I see. Force is the only way in your opinion, because as a society we are too weak to figure out how to convince people to do it voluntarily.

Please tell me how you came to this conclusion? I've never once said force was (or wasn't) the answer. Anyways, I'll say it a different way: I think it is strange that this business is literally advertising to appeal to unvaxxed staff the way that others try to appeal to HCPs in general with things like staffing ratios (lie), new facilities and technology, etc. I just don't see the need or benefit in advertising the place like that. If they don't require the vaccine then that is their prerogative but the impression this gives is they are trying to appeal to unvaxxed staff.

Also, please do not put words in my mouth again. I've always attempted to be polite and elaborate anytime you've asked me to. There was literally nothing in my quote that suggested I think anyone should be "forced" to do anything, I was commenting on how they are using it as a recruitment effort.

Guest219794 · Sep 4, 2021

18 minutes ago, Charlcie said:

Please tell me how you came to this conclusion? I've never once said force was (or wasn't) the answer. Anyways, I'll say it a different way: I think it is strange that this business is literally advertising to appeal to unvaxxed staff the way that others try to appeal to HCPs in general with things like staffing ratios (lie), new facilities and technology, etc. I just don't see the need or benefit in advertising the place like that. If they don't require the vaccine then that is their prerogative but the impression this gives is they are trying to appeal to unvaxxed staff.

Also, please do not put words in my mouth again. I've always attempted to be polite and elaborate anytime you've asked me to. There was literally nothing in my quote that suggested I think anyone should be "forced" to do anything, I was commenting on how they are using it as a recruitment effort.

It worked.

A poster made ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims- equating a vaccine requirement with force, and claiming you advocate that- in order to elicit an emotional response.

This is not about an exchange of ideas, it is about a create a platform to broadcast an ideology.

jive turkey · Sep 4, 2021

11 hours ago, Charlcie said:

Please tell me how you came to this conclusion? I've never once said force was (or wasn't) the answer. Anyways, I'll say it a different way: I think it is strange that this business is literally advertising to appeal to unvaxxed staff the way that others try to appeal to HCPs in general with things like staffing ratios (lie), new facilities and technology, etc. I just don't see the need or benefit in advertising the place like that. If they don't require the vaccine then that is their prerogative but the impression this gives is they are trying to appeal to unvaxxed staff.

Also, please do not put words in my mouth again. I've always attempted to be polite and elaborate anytime you've asked me to. There was literally nothing in my quote that suggested I think anyone should be "forced" to do anything, I was commenting on how they are using it as a recruitment effort.

I assure you I'm not being rude, I can't stand when others do that.

I'm not trying to put words on your mouth either. Can't stand that either.

That was what I understood from your counter.

But I see I misinterpreted what you meant. I hear get what you're saying now.

toomuchbaloney · Sep 4, 2021

14 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I assure you I'm not being rude, I can't stand when others do that.

Many readers of these threads would disagree...

guest1168940 · Sep 4, 2021

For profit company using anything to hire nurses, wonder what happens when the assignment facility requires it?

Tenebrae, BSN, RN · Sep 6, 2021

Cant believe that someone thought this was a good idea

RNdarbyAK · Sep 7, 2021

On 8/25/2021 at 7:47 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

I guess the patients in state run facilities in Nebraska have no right to expect that their staff won't spread vaccine preventable diseases to them when they go for care.

I guess the patients is state run facilities might be fortunate to have staff.....period.

What a detestable bunch of comments in this thread. Y'all aware that there are facilities that are operating with skeleton crews? Do you get it? I'm in a small CAH that has come perilously close to having to close our doors twice because we didn't have enough staff to put the minimum number on the floor, we barely kept our ER open. We're 330 air miles from any other hospital that can accept patients. So we are in no rush to mandate the vaccine for our staff because it's a selling point for traveling nurses and the community we serve understands that.

A friend of mine is an ER manager in a Nebraska ER and her facility is one of the many that have mandated the vaccine. They are currently in a staffing crisis and as her younger, child-bearing-age, vaccine hesitant nurses find jobs elsewhere, she'll be lucky to keep her doors open.

So, mock and ridicule all you please. But understand that patients having a medical emergency prolly don't care too much about their nurse's vax status, they just want to survive.

RNdarbyAK · Sep 7, 2021

On 9/3/2021 at 8:54 PM, Curious1997 said:

You mean like in Florida, Texas, Louisiana etc ????

You are clearly clueless about where the challenges lay. Your arrogance and contempt for anyone who thinks differently from you are incredibly revealing.

It's not the Republican states that are challenged, it's the rural areas of America that are struggling. I realize that challenges your very big liberal brain....but try very hard to wrap it around this. Small, remote hospitals are having a very difficult time sourcing needed staff. We don't have the money for the huge hourly wages, thousands of dollars in bonuses, and even those of us that do have money are still challenged getting people to move somewhere remote.

My hospital has always used travelers, and about half of them liked it so much here they would accept a permanent assignment. But with big facilities paying out big COVID money the travelers aren't looking to take a permanent job right now. I get it. I have several friends who travel and their attitude is "I gotta get the cash while I can."

So, my recommendation to you is that when you think you are so brilliant that you can mock people that you know nothing about.....stop.....because there's probably information you don't have.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · Sep 7, 2021

10 minutes ago, RNdarbyAK said:

You are clearly clueless about where the challenges lay. Your arrogance and contempt for anyone who thinks differently from you are incredibly revealing.

It's not the Republican states that are challenged, it's the rural areas of America that are struggling. I realize that challenges your very big liberal brain....but try very hard to wrap it around this. Small, remote hospitals are having a very difficult time sourcing needed staff. We don't have the money for the huge hourly wages, thousands of dollars in bonuses, and even those of us that do have money are still challenged getting people to move somewhere remote.

My hospital has always used travelers, and about half of them liked it so much here they would accept a permanent assignment. But with big facilities paying out big COVID money the travelers aren't looking to take a permanent job right now. I get it. I have several friends who travel and their attitude is "I gotta get the cash while I can."

So, my recommendation to you is that when you think you are so brilliant that you can mock people that you know nothing about.....stop.....because there's probably information you don't have.

I live in a red state in a very large city. We have low vaccination rates and high numbers of infected. Rural hospitals are probably also struggling, but we have had days where we had no ICU beds in cities like Houston and Dallas that have MANY hospitals. We even ran out of pediatric ICU beds for awhile in the DFW area. Adequate staffing has been a problem, even here. My friend who works in a pediatric trauma unit said they were full of pedi Covid patients, but were at least lucky enough to have FEMA-provided nurses. They were lucky.

BTW, complaining about "arrogance and contempt," then posts this:

"I realize that challenges your very big liberal brain....but try very hard to wrap it around this. "

guest1163268 · Sep 7, 2021

10 minutes ago, RNdarbyAK said:

You are clearly clueless about where the challenges lay. Your arrogance and contempt for anyone who thinks differently from you are incredibly revealing.

It's not the Republican states that are challenged, it's the rural areas of America that are struggling. I realize that challenges your very big liberal brain....but try very hard to wrap it around this. Small, remote hospitals are having a very difficult time sourcing needed staff. We don't have the money for the huge hourly wages, thousands of dollars in bonuses, and even those of us that do have money are still challenged getting people to move somewhere remote.

My hospital has always used travelers, and about half of them liked it so much here they would accept a permanent assignment. But with big facilities paying out big COVID money the travelers aren't looking to take a permanent job right now. I get it. I have several friends who travel and their attitude is "I gotta get the cash while I can."

So, my recommendation to you is that when you think you are so brilliant that you can mock people that you know nothing about.....stop.....because there's probably information you don't have.

Maybe you should provide your version of the information I know nothing about?

I'm pretty sure the antivaxxers were listening to someone that if they had bothered to educate themselves even slightly and rid themselves of their biases to liberal big brains like Dr Fauci etc, and stop worshipping their hypocrisy as a religion, they might not be in the position they're currently in!

I suggest you introduce them to the library a historical repository of information that has been in vogue for millenniums, that contains solutions to problems before they arise. And it's free which might be appealing!

guest1163268 · Sep 7, 2021

11 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

I live in a red state in a very large city. We have low vaccination rates and high numbers of infected. Rural hospitals are probably also struggling, but we have had days where we had no ICU beds in cities like Houston and Dallas that have MANY hospitals. We even ran out of pediatric ICU beds for awhile in the DFW area. Adequate staffing has been a problem, even here. My friend who works in a pediatric trauma unit said they were full of pedi Covid patients, but were at least lucky enough to have FEMA-provided nurses. They were lucky.

BTW, complaining about "arrogance and contempt," then posts this:

"I realize that challenges your very big liberal brain....but try very hard to wrap it around this. "

Thanks Horseshoe for the defense, but sarcasm is a natural state with me. I cope well with detractors!