So, It's Come To This...

jive turkey · Sep 9, 2021

11 minutes ago, lMCRN said:

You can look up your states stats but approximately 0.3% death from covid in patients that are vaccinated.

If those that want the vaccine take it, and over 99% of them stay alive and out of the hospital, how is the argument made that the unvaccinated are selfish and not doing their part to protect others? It seems they are the ones at risk and accepted it, no?

toomuchbaloney · Sep 9, 2021

1 hour ago, jive turkey said:

If those that want the vaccine take it, and over 99% of them stay alive and out of the hospital, how is the argument made that the unvaccinated are selfish and not doing their part to protect others? It seems they are the ones at risk and accepted it, no?

Does this mean that you don't see any problem with over crowded hospitals trying to deal with the aftermath of those choices to remain unvaccinated? Those choices aren't having any impact on the health system, the schools or the economy, eh?

Guest219794 · Sep 9, 2021

1 hour ago, jive turkey said:

If those that want the vaccine take it, and over 99% of them stay alive and out of the hospital, how is the argument made that the unvaccinated are selfish and not doing their part to protect others? It seems they are the ones at risk and accepted it, no?

I would like to believe that all of this nonsense is trolling. It is a scary thought that any nurse could be so lacking in critical thinking ability. Hopefully this is an act- a character you play online. I hope that you apply the creativity that goes into these snippets of ignorance to provide excellent care for your patients.

Who exactly are your patients? I am guessing are not working in an environment with a lot of Covid patients.

For the benefit of anybody following this thread, who somehow still doesn't get it:

The post above would be correct if those willing to assume all of the risk of forgoing the vaccine. If they isolated with their Covid, hung out at home taking horse sized doses of Ivermectin, they would come out the other side either with a certain time period of immunity, or dead. Either way, they would have done their part in this pandemic. Yay.

This is not what they do. They traipse around the community spreading it to children too young for a vaccine, or those who have been advised by a doctor they can't take it, or, occasionally to a vaccinated person. And of course to other like minded individuals. The same politically inspired delusions that caused them to forgo basic precautions and decline vaccination causes them to want to share the joy of Covid.

But- they are not stoic. Once they develop a cough, congestion, or god forbid, the dreaded fever, they come into the ER. While there, they are a time suck. PPE and extensive workups tie up staff that could be taking care of other patients. When the code nurse and the backup code nurse are both in full PPE in Covid rooms, what do you suppose happens when Code Blue gets paged?

They are an resource intensive in a in increasingly resource limited environment. This causes us to miss other things and bogs the department down. People are more likely to fall, less likely to be medicated on time, and have to wait longer in the waiting room- probably next to some unvaccinated super spreader.

Working in this environment sucks. It is physically demanding and unrewarding, especially to those who possess the cognitive ability to understand that it is largely preventable. This environment contributes to nursing turnover far more than the principled anti-vaxxers who leave their jobs.

If any of this is overly complex, I'll break it down.

Pandemic = bad
Things that prolong the pandemic = bad
Things that shorten the pandemic = good
Taking vaccines shorten the pandemic. Yay!
Refusing vaccines prolongs the pandemic. Boo!
Nurses spouting off nonsense helping prolong the pandemic = very bad

Guest219794 · Sep 9, 2021

26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Does this mean that you don't see any problem with over crowded hospitals trying to deal with the aftermath of those choices to remain unvaccinated? Those choices aren't having any impact on the health system, the schools or the economy, eh?

Kind of cheating for you to introduce logic and facts and stuff into this discussion. Creates an unfair playing field.

kaylee. · Sep 9, 2021

22 minutes ago, hherrn said:

If any of this is overly complex, I'll break it down.

Pandemic = bad

Things that prolong the pandemic = bad

Things that shorten the pandemic = good

Taking vaccines shorten the pandemic. Yay!

Refusing vaccines prolongs the pandemic. Boo!

Nurses spouting off nonsense helping prolong the pandemic = very bad

I couldn’t have summarized it any clearer than that! Love this!

guest1168940 · Sep 9, 2021

Forgot who replied but have read take virology study that the virus mutates when allowed to go from unvaccinated populated areas to unvaccinated populated areas and that’s what I mean safety for all to get vaccinated.

guest1168940 · Sep 9, 2021

Also to those who report will ‘lose staff’ choosing to leave is not losing staff, it’s feeling so strongly about not taking the vaccine that you quit your job, leave friends, co workers, and patients with shorter staffing, I do not get it for sure.

jive turkey · Sep 9, 2021

11 hours ago, hherrn said:

I would like to believe that all of this nonsense is trolling. It is a scary thought that any nurse could be so lacking in critical thinking ability. Hopefully this is an act- a character you play online. I hope that you apply the creativity that goes into these snippets of ignorance to provide excellent care for your patients.

I see you got your crutches out again! Hobbling through the forum with those good old personal attacks. Nothing says "I can't debate very well" like a good ol' fashion attack on someone's ability to criticality think.

Part of the challenge you may be experiencing is understanding different perspectives and looking at the big picture.

The arrogance of your comments along with that of others displays a high level of insensitivity for the feelings of others. That is more alarming than someone being hesitant about the vaccine.

Many of you speak as if supporting the vaccine and blanket mandates entitles you to belittle people. That's not getting people to vaccinate. That's making them more hesitant.

An attitude like yours makes it apparent intolerance, ignorance, and one's selfish need to lash out is more coveted than CRITICALLY THINKING on how to convince people to vaccinate.

toomuchbaloney · Sep 10, 2021

20 hours ago, jive turkey said:

An attitude like yours makes it apparent intolerance, ignorance, and one's selfish need to lash out is more coveted than CRITICALLY THINKING on how to convince people to vaccinate.

In your opinion.

chevyv, BSN, RN · Sep 10, 2021

A $5000 hiring bonus!

TranquilSpirit · Sep 10, 2021

I live and work in the suburbs of a major city. For my job I travel to three additional large cities. I have been in over a dozen hospitals in the last two months. A dozen different ICUs. Most in a state that is supposedly hard pressed by Covid. You know what I see? Nothing spectacular. That's what. Nurses catching a break at the station eating a snack. Smiling. Talking. Bed availability. Nurses helping each other out. Answering lights. Doctors in and out. Guests.

...Sorry. I just don't see the disaster.

There's such a remarkable difference between nurses - even on the same unit. A quarter to a third don't see a disaster, an equal amount are freaking out, and half are just trying to get through it. I came on AN to check on a curiosity I had. I got stuck because I see a level of hysterics here I cannot relate to in the real world. It's remarkable. In the real world.. in these dozens of hospitals from downtown to the exurbs.. everything is fine. Here. Gosh. You'd think it was a disaster.. just as the politicians say it is.

Maybe that polarization between fiction and reality is one of the reasons so many are foregoing the vaccine? A lot of those not getting the vaccine just don't understand where the "disaster" is any longer? Many of them had Covid already and have natural immunity. It's over. Despite our politicians and certain other hysterical personalities saying otherwise. There is no ICU bed shortage. No ventilator issues. RTs are staffed. Nurses are staffed. People are being admitted and discharged the same as always. I can guarantee in your hospital this is how it is too. I guarantee YOU are back to normal. Let everyone else be back to normal too.

...And seriously, stop whining. Everyone.

SmilingBluEyes · Sep 10, 2021

1 hour ago, TranquilSpirit said:

I live and work in the suburbs of a major city. For my job I travel to three additional large cities. I have been in over a dozen hospitals in the last two months. A dozen different ICUs. Most in a state that is supposedly hard pressed by Covid. You know what I see? Nothing spectacular. That's what. Nurses catching a break at the station eating a snack. Smiling. Talking. Bed availability. Nurses helping each other out. Answering lights. Doctors in and out. Guests.

...Sorry. I just don't see the disaster.

There's such a remarkable difference between nurses - even on the same unit. A quarter to a third don't see a disaster, an equal amount are freaking out, and half are just trying to get through it. I came on AN to check on a curiosity I had. I got stuck because I see a level of hysterics here I cannot relate to in the real world. It's remarkable. In the real world.. in these dozens of hospitals from downtown to the exurbs.. everything is fine. Here. Gosh. You'd think it was a disaster.. just as the politicians say it is.

Maybe that polarization between fiction and reality is one of the reasons so many are foregoing the vaccine? A lot of those not getting the vaccine just don't understand where the "disaster" is any longer? Many of them had Covid already and have natural immunity. It's over. Despite our politicians and certain other hysterical personalities saying otherwise. There is no ICU bed shortage. No ventilator issues. RTs are staffed. Nurses are staffed. People are being admitted and discharged the same as always. I can guarantee in your hospital this is how it is too. I guarantee YOU are back to normal. Let everyone else be back to normal too.

...And seriously, stop whining. Everyone.

YOU can't guarantee squat! My local hospital is setting up beds in the freaking conference room for overflow. There are NO beds, no room for anyone! People are being shipped hours away for availability.

I am not whining; I am speaking facts.