President Biden thread

2 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Oh my....(gasp).

Not the best decision made by him.  But realistically, what did it matter?  Is he now out in the field, repairing power lines?

What's your take on Cuomo in NY, and his bad decision and cover up on the nursing home covid issues?

Is that what's called the distraction technique? Maybe the Dems are employing cancel culture? 

10 hours ago, Beerman said:

Oh my....(gasp).

Not the best decision made by him.  But realistically, what did it matter?  Is he now out in the field, repairing power lines?

What's your take on Cuomo in NY, and his bad decision and cover up on the nursing home covid issues?

It doesn't matter at all beyond exemplifying the deep and consistent dishonesty and hypocrisy of the modern republican party and their voters. It's nice to be reminded that conservatives can always deflect to make themselves feel better when the topic at hand isn't panning out as planned. 

On 2/21/2021 at 12:15 AM, Beerman said:

Oh my....(gasp).

Not the best decision made by him.  But realistically, what did it matter?  Is he now out in the field, repairing power lines?

What's your take on Cuomo in NY, and his bad decision and cover up on the nursing home covid issues?

What Cuomo did has NOTHING to do with Texas.  You are just deflecting when you say dumb stuff like that.  Cuomo has always been an arrogant jerk, unloved by his staff.  Sending Covid patients to nursing homes last Spring did cause a lot of deaths.  But, from all the people condemning him now, not one has offered an alternative to that decision.  Where would YOU have sent them under the same circumstances?  Lying about the numbers of deaths from that order is another matter and says something about his character.  BUT again, how trustworthy  are the statistics (lying statistics?) since even now, doctors don't agree on the metrics of labeling a death as Covid?  Wow, frail, elderly people died in nursing homes during the height of a pandemic?  How many patients got Covid from hospital transfers vs. catching it from the staff?  Many NH's  didn't have adequate PPE and time was the enemy.  The patients needed to be transferred out quickly - the choice was NH's, the streets or refrigerators.  Please be specific when describing what you would have done - through the filter of the retroscope. 

2 hours ago, subee said:

What Cuomo did has NOTHING to do with Texas.  You are just deflecting....

I would have to agree.  The topic is the Joe Biden thread and we were talking about how he sent help to Texas and an off topic comment asking about Cuomo and nursing home deaths (I did mention in another forum that conservatives are loathe to drop that issue and bring it up continually) really isn't relevant at all but pure deflection.  

One of the hosts on the View did the same thing.

https://www.Yahoo.com/entertainment/view-host-meghan-mccain-fun-183316393.html

I totally disagree with the idea that the media "ignored nursing home deaths for a year".  It was widely covered and the Cuomo story is getting a lot of press.  I've been reading about it on CNN (you know the fake news media site).  Yahoo and Newsweek which lean to the anti-Trump left are on this story.  Sorry if the outrage isn't what she thinks it should be.

Cuomo did what he did in the heat of the moment at the beginning of the pandemic without a template.  Mistakes were made.  Other states had dismal rates of nursing home deaths and I don't even think New York is in the top 20 by percentage over all all deaths.   The fall surge saw a doubling of Nursing Home deaths here in Florida, and it was really bad in nursing homes in the midwest.

I do hope as investigations continue if it's true he lied and covered things up he's held accountable for that.

32 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I didn't deflect.   I addressed the bad decision made by Cruz, first.

I would have made use of the other resources that were underutilized.   Such as the empty field hospitals and hospital ship.

 

Here:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-yorks-nursing-homes-ship-empty/    It's too complicated to explain in a post.  

53 minutes ago, subee said:

Here:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-yorks-nursing-homes-ship-empty/    It's too complicated to explain in a post.  

The truth is usually  more complicated that a sound bite or sensationalistic headline. 

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I didn't deflect.   I addressed the bad decision made by Cruz, first.

I would have made use of the other resources that were underutilized.   Such as the empty field hospitals and hospital ship.

 

Neither the hospital ship nor the field hospitals were accepting Covid positive patients at the time.  The ship was mainly limited to doing ambulatory surgeries.  They didn't do much to eliminate the need to return nursing home residents back to their nursing homes (same as multiple other states that were triaging the same way).

On 2/20/2021 at 9:15 PM, Beerman said:

Oh my....(gasp).

Not the best decision made by him.  But realistically, what did it matter?  Is he now out in the field, repairing power lines?

This is the Fox Noise and other right wing Trump supporting outlets' spin on what a Senator can and and cannot do during a crisis.  Of course it is of no surprise given Trumpist Republican politicians do not work and they do not know how to govern.  Specifically, Cancun Cruz is a Senator and so he has a job and he has responsibilities to his constituents to pull the levers of government to support the State of Texas during a crisis (Basic governing 101).  Instead he ran off to Cancun like the cowardly, lazy, dangerous Trump supporter that he is.  

One Democratic politician who is not even from the State of Texas raised $5 million dollars for Texas citizens/victims while Fled Cruz was off in Cancun (I know, you Trump supporters don't like her, but unlike Cruz and your other lazy elected officials, she works)!

AOC raises $5 million for Texas non-profits after Winter weather crisis (MSN.com):

https://www.MSN.com/en-us/news/politics/aoc-raised-5-million-for-texas-storm-relief-visited-houston-food-banks/ar-BB1dUUQ5

3 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Neither the hospital ship nor the field hospitals were accepting Covid positive patients at the time.  The ship was mainly limited to doing ambulatory surgeries.  They didn't do much to eliminate the need to return nursing home residents back to their nursing homes (same as multiple other states that were triaging the same way).

I honestly think none of this matters in that some people are not going to look at things realistically.   You bring up Cruz and they say "But Cuomo....", you bring up Trump's handling of the virus they say "But Cuomo......", you bring up the Capitol attack and they say "But Cuomo......".

This is their 2021 "but her emails......".   They can't let go.

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I honestly think none of this matters in that some people are not going to look at things realistically.   You bring up Cruz and they say "But Cuomo....", you bring up Trump's handling of the virus they say "But Cuomo......", you bring up the Capitol attack and they say "But Cuomo......".

This is their 2021 "but her emails......".   They can't let go.

True, Tweety, but that is how cults work.  However, truth always matters.  Cults like Trumps' will get bigger if those of us whom know the truth stay quiet. 

Look at our President's polls.... Only a hard core 33% of the electorate (Trump supporters) disagree with Biden and 61-62% of the US electorate (a diverse group of democrats, independents, and conservatives who do not support Trump) support Biden.  Truth works on the rational.  I have little to no faith in the Trump cult ever waking up... but we should continue to speak up and refute the lies, misinformation, and twisting of reality of Trump and his supporters.