Now that the Covid 19 vaccine is just around the corner... Will it be mandatory?

[NewRN'16]

Are we going to be able to refuse it, or will it be mandatory? 

I have had severe reactions to the influenza vaccine and eventually I declined it. 

Do we need to have a severe reaction in order for us to decline any further covid 19 vaccines? Or we could still opt out? 

What do you guys think? 

[macawake, MSN]

26 minutes ago, ohbejoyful said:

I think if you “read the room” or feel out the climate, you will see the core of all of this is that there is a massive distrust in pharmaceutical companies, media promoted science and even the CDC and WHO. Science has to be proven. And if that proof is to be believed by the majority, than the people proving that information have to hold general respect and trust by practicing transparency at all costs. I think this is the core problem and there is not an fast fix for it at this time. 

Again, thanks for your reply! I agree that there is no fast fix and absolutely agree that transparency is a must. I don’t want to turn this thread into a partisan fight, but I do think that the people’s trust in institutions has been deliberately targeted in the recent years with the aim to erode or even obliterate it. That’s why I said in my earlier post that I believe you are facing an uphill battle. 

All I really ask of healthcare professionals is to objectively and dispassionately examine the available evidence and combine that with the public health and epidemiological  education they have, and inform and educate the public accordingly. While I expect the general public to react emotionally, I think as nurses we should be mindful to not add to any misconceptions they might have and just stick to the medical facts. I’m hoping that nurses will be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem. But that’s just my opinion. 
 

41 minutes ago, ohbejoyful said:

I believe all of your efforts to be futile at this time. I think the reason for this is because many people want tangible real world proof they can see with their own eyes, not a study on a piece of paper to make their deductions.. it’s frustrating but it is all due to lack of confidence and trust, and you cannot provide that with your logical deductions and reasonings.

I’m sure you’re right ? I don’t expect to change anyone’s opinion on this board. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not an American. I speak six languages and I post regularly in four of them as a part of my use-it-or-lose-it regimen. Might as well write about something that I’m passionate about ?

[macawake, MSN]

1 hour ago, NurseBlaq said:

Why must every one who doesn't want to rush to take the covid vaccine met with shame, a guilt trip, and a whole damn thesis of opinion and NOT facts when the hold up is wanting solid EVIDENCE-BASED facts? This going thread to thread to force-feed someone your thoughts on why they're a bad person and obligated to take the vaccine simply because they're a nurse despite their own personal beliefs to satisfy you and your bourgeois thoughts has to stop! We are entitled to our refusals so stop the shenanigans packaged as friendly debate @macawake. It's become a pattern so it's no longer debate, it's borderline shame and bully tactics. ?

You are clearly annoyed by my posts. Isn’t it better to not read them? They are not mandatory and anyone can decide to ignore them. But what you can’t do is dictate what I get to write about. I have no control over how you react and how you interpret my words. You are the only one who has. The thing you said about being a ”bad person”, is your reaction. It’s not something I said or even intimated. 

I have never said that anyone is obligated to take the vaccine. This is one of the things I posted:

3 hours ago, macawake said:

Apart from the fact that I don’t think that residents should be made to take the vaccine, just as I don’t think any one else should be forced either, it wouldn’t be enough to keep them safe. My belief is that people should be informed about the benefits of vaccines, for individuals and for society as a whole, and hopefully a large enough number will understand the rationale for taking them.

 

[ohbejoyful]

39 minutes ago, macawake said:

Again, thanks for your reply! I agree that there is no fast fix and absolutely agree that transparency is a must. I don’t want to turn this thread into a partisan fight, but I do think that the people’s trust in institutions has been deliberately targeted in the recent years with the aim to erode or even obliterate it. That’s why I said in my earlier post that I believe you are facing an uphill battle. 

All I really ask of healthcare professionals is to objectively and dispassionately examine the available evidence and combine that with the public health and epidemiological  education they have, and inform and educate the public accordingly. While I expect the general public to react emotionally, I think as nurses we should be mindful to not add to any misconceptions they might have and just stick to the medical facts. I’m hoping that nurses will be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem. But that’s just my opinion. 
 

I’m sure you’re right ? I don’t expect to change anyone’s opinion on this board. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not an American. I speak six languages and I post regularly in four of them as a part of my use-it-or-lose-it regimen. Might as well write about something that I’m passionate about ?

?fair enough! I do think most nurses will eventually get on board with covid vaccination, it’s just many people including healthcare professionals are weary to jump on board immediately without a little time post release. I think it’s problematic to tell other people not to vaccinate but making that choice personally is a different story. I wouldn’t coerce my patients to get the vaccine or tell them I’m waiting to get it and so should they. I would provide basic facts and leave it to my patients make their own choice. That’s how I will treat my peers and how I want to be treated too. 

[Marc Goodman, BSN]

On 11/30/2020 at 8:56 AM, Robmoo said:

The flu vaccine is mandatory at my hospital.  They used to just make people who didn't get vaccination wear a mask.  I guess that was no threat for this year's vaccine, so they said get it or you're fired.

I've already gotten mine.  I'm in the Pfizer COVID vaccine trial.  I didn't get the saline shot.  I had body aches and a low grade fever for 36 hours.  No big deal.

If you don't want to follow evidence based practice guidelines in your own health care then perhaps a career in healthcare isn't for you.  Nurse teach, coach , and lead.  The "do as I say not as I do" approach doesn't work.  Unless you've had a serious reaction to a vaccine in the past such as Guillian-Barre or a true allergic reaction, it is time to do some adulting.

Thank you for participating in the study.  Your and other's participation will save countless lives.  Caring for patients and participating in the study makes you a double hero! 

[toomuchbaloney]

3 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

Why must every one who doesn't want to rush to take the covid vaccine met with shame, a guilt trip, and a whole damn thesis of opinion and NOT facts when the hold up is wanting solid EVIDENCE-BASED facts? This going thread to thread to force-feed someone your thoughts on why they're a bad person and obligated to take the vaccine simply because they're a nurse despite their own personal beliefs to satisfy you and your bourgeois thoughts has to stop! We are entitled to our refusals so stop the shenanigans packaged as friendly debate @macawake. It's become a pattern so it's no longer debate, it's borderline shame and bully tactics. ?

I don't see that phenomenon here.  No one is being shamed for a personal belief about vaccination as far as I'm concerned.  Presenting data, science and passionate opinions is not the same as shaming.  Occasionally ideas that fly in the face of sound scientific guidance may be "shamed". Could you provide an example?

[Daisy Joyce]

My own wee “straw poll” at work also indicates that most of us won’t be taking the vaccine, and are willing to leave nursing.

And in reply to an above poster, we are willing to mask up, and we are willing to continue to care for Covid19 patients.

[NurseBlaq]

18 hours ago, macawake said:

You are clearly annoyed by my posts. Isn’t it better to not read them? They are not mandatory and anyone can decide to ignore them. But what you can’t do is dictate what I get to write about. I have no control over how you react and how you interpret my words. You are the only one who has. The thing you said about being a ”bad person”, is your reaction. It’s not something I said or even intimated. 

I have never said that anyone is obligated to take the vaccine. This is one of the things I posted:

 

No, you just post endless long-winded posts trying to undermine why people feel the way they do. This nice-nasty thing is what I hate in nursing. You don't outright say the hateful stuff but it's strongly implied. If it's on a forum, I read it. This is *I lost count* time I'm telling you to take your own advice. You can't dictate what I read either. Seems you like dishing it but can't/don't/won't take it in return. However, I agree. Since I can no longer stomach your nonsense I'm just going to mute you and move along so I don't have to see the condescending, passive-aggressive posts you claim are "friendly discussion" yet filled with judgment and dismissiveness despite people telling you the same things over and over again. You have systematically done the same bully tactics to everyone not on board with this vaccine thread after thread but go on and pretend like I'm "annoyed". Am I annoyed or do I just see through this petty game you're playing? Seriously, every.single.covid.vaccine.thread have you pulled the same, including to me hence how it got on my radar. Otherwise, I wouldn't have paid attention, nor cared but you've done the same to me and I keep seeing this pattern in every thread. 

But I digress, keep pretending like you don't get it, and label me as "annoyed" since apparently you like labeling people instead of putting forth an effort into understanding what they're relaying to you, especially when it doesn't suit your narrative. SMH

[NurseBlaq]

16 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't see that phenomenon here.  No one is being shamed for a personal belief about vaccination as far as I'm concerned.  Presenting data, science and passionate opinions is not the same as shaming.  Occasionally ideas that fly in the face of sound scientific guidance may be "shamed". Could you provide an example?

I see it and I've experienced it. Maybe you don't do it but macawake has in several threads. No I'm not going to search for their posts because I don't care to however, it's getting old, stale, and tired and they've done it to me on several topics, only this one I'm noticing the same rabbit hole is being done to others. If people don't want it, don't try to draw them into endless banter trying to change their mind and dismiss their opinions. How do you miraculously not see it? There's a few posts of people saying "read the room" and other things about their minds not changing. It's not exclusive to me. But then again this is AN where people only read into what they want to see.

[NurseBlaq]

14 hours ago, Daisy Joyce said:

My own wee “straw poll” at work also indicates that most of us won’t be taking the vaccine, and are willing to leave nursing.

And in reply to an above poster, we are willing to mask up, and we are willing to continue to care for Covid19 patients.

Same here. I don't know many nurses in real life who plan on lining up to get vaccinated.

[macawake, MSN]

7 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

No, you just post endless long-winded posts trying to undermine why people feel the way they do. This nice-nasty thing is what I hate in nursing. You don't outright say the hateful stuff but it's strongly implied. If it's on a forum, I read it. This is *I lost count* time I'm telling you to take your own advice. You can't dictate what I read either. Seems you like dishing it but can't/don't/won't take it in return. However, I agree. Since I can no longer stomach your nonsense I'm just going to mute you and move along so I don't have to see the condescending, passive-aggressive posts you claim are "friendly discussion" yet filled with judgment and dismissiveness despite people telling you the same things over and over again. You have systematically done the same bully tactics to everyone not on board with this vaccine thread after thread but go on and pretend like I'm "annoyed". Am I annoyed or do I just see through this petty game you're playing? Seriously, every.single.covid.vaccine.thread have you pulled the same, including to me hence how it got on my radar. Otherwise, I wouldn't have paid attention, nor cared but you've done the same to me and I keep seeing this pattern in every thread. 

But I digress, keep pretending like you don't get it, and label me as "annoyed" since apparently you like labeling people instead of putting forth an effort into understanding what they're relaying to you, especially when it doesn't suit your narrative. SMH

At first I wasn’t going to respond to this post but after thinking about it for a while, I felt a need to. 

You might not read my reply to you if you’ve followed through with your decision to block me. That’s okay. It’s probably for the best. I’m writing this post mostly for me. 

In this thread alone you’ve called me a nasty, hateful, obtuse, condescending, passive-aggressive, judgmental, dismissive, petty bully who talks so much nonsense that you can’t stomach it. It’s not the first time you’ve called me names. 

I have a pretty thick skin. My online skin would make a rhinoceros green with envy. I doesn’t matter what names you or anyone else I don’t even know calls me. Words won’t hurt me. I know me, and I’m content with whom I am. But perhaps due to the shift I had today where I single-handedly emptied half the blood bank trying to save a young trauma victim with catastrophic injuries, I was actually saddened by the fact that this is how we as nurses communicate with each other. I think today just made me realize once again how insignificant many things we argue about really are. 

If you were to tell me that I can sometimes be like a relentless pesky mosquito buzzing around some posters ears, that would actually be fair. As I said, I know myself. Regarding the rest of your adjectives... They are more your opinion, than a true description of what motivates me to post here. I am quite deliberate in the way I post. I take care to not criticize posters for who they are. In most cases, I couldn’t even if I was inclined to. I don’t know them and it’s seldom a constructive thing to do anyway. If I disagree with someone’s opinion or question a claim they made, I try to do so by explaining my postion, ask questions and provide links to sources that support the counterpoint I’m trying to make. 

[CaliRN2019, BSN]

I'm not sure if legally they can make you take it, but I'm sure there will be incentives. For instance, before COVID our hospital would require us to wear masks at all times during flu season if we chose not to get the flu shot. I can see the same thing happening for the COVID immunization. 

[BeatsPerMinute, BSN, RN]

optional in my location (currently, at least). will also be in waiting... in good health, and being responsible during the pandemic. Also, am not interested in being an guinea pig.