Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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On 8/22/2021 at 11:45 PM, cinlou said:

(What is the total death rate of people with MI, car accidents etc. that are hospitalized and also happen to test positive for Covid? What did they die from?) 

The medical examiner’s death certificate will not necessarily tell you in priority order, but it will say something like, “Cardiac failure related to diabetic cardiovascular disease complicated by COVID.” I have heard of families asking a private physician not to mention diagnosed COVID for whatever reason they want to conceal it. 

And even if not, ask yourself: Would all those diabetics with heart disease have died on the day they did if not for the fear, extra work of breathing, and hypoxia from their COVID infection? 

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On 8/25/2021 at 12:55 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In what world is a mandate the same thing as a choice? That's like the government calling taxes "voluntary."

Interesting choice of analogy. It is our duty as citizens to chip in to pay for what our country does to provide for the common welfare in the form of roads, military presence, education, food support, Social Security, and myriad other benefits.

A mandated vaccine is like taxation in that it too promulgates an action for the common good. Sort of like smallpox, tetorifice, measles, mumps, rubella, rabies, hepatitis, pneumonia… Your life is healthier than it would have been had you and most of the people around you not had those immunizations. 

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2 minutes ago, Hannahbanana said:

Interesting choice of analogy. It is our duty as citizens to chip in to pay for what our country does to provide for the common welfare in the form of roads, military presence, education, food support, Social Security, and myriad other benefits.

A mandated vaccine is like taxation in that it too promulgates an action for the common good. Sort of like smallpox, tetorifice, measles, mumps, rubella, rabies, hepatitis, pneumonia… Your life is healthier than it would have been had you and most of the people around you not had those immunizations. 

I feel like people who want "freedom" to the extent of not paying dues for the benefits of living in society need to find a way to live off grid on self sustainable land with like-minded people nearby if they need further support.  Preventing covid would also be less of a concern if someone was living away from the rest of society as well. 

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4 minutes ago, anewsns said:

I feel like people who want "freedom" to the extent of not paying dues for the benefits of living in society need to find a way to live off grid on self sustainable land with like-minded people nearby if they need further support.  Preventing covid would also be less of a concern if someone was living away from the rest of society as well. 

That's not going very well here in Alaska.  Those ruggedly independent unvaccinated people still come into town to shop and drink. Alaska is struggling to provide hospital care to all who need it. 

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On 9/1/2021 at 9:04 AM, subee said:

But if more people were vaccinated, your hospital wouldn't be in this ever -lasting cycle.  Your lie about people here advocating not treating patients who are unvaccinated and sick .. no one has said that.  Maybe they DREAM about it but that doesn't mean they would do it.  This will be your life until you quit or vaccination rates get up to at least 90%.  Nurses should be examples for the public, not sow disinformation that the vaccine is anything else but an  absolute requirement.

Sorry, I don't live in the city, if you don't know what it's like living in a non urban, non suberb area. Please don't respond. Ignorance will spread misinformation. You haven't heard the news that some doctors and insurance companies are advocating not treating or delaying treatment of the unvaccinated? Sounds like the only lie is coming from you. Good day.

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4 minutes ago, summertx said:

Sorry, I don't live in the city, if you don't know what it's like living in a non urban, non suberb area. Please don't respond. Ignorance will spread misinformation. You haven't heard the news that some doctors and insurance companies are advocating not treating or delaying treatment of the unvaccinated? Sounds like the only lie is coming from you. Good day.

What lie? Be specific.  

How rural does a person need to be to understand your point? I live in rural Alaska.

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10 minutes ago, summertx said:

Sorry, I don't live in the city, if you don't know what it's like living in a non urban, non suberb area. Please don't respond. Ignorance will spread misinformation. You haven't heard the news that some doctors and insurance companies are advocating not treating or delaying treatment of the unvaccinated? Sounds like the only lie is coming from you. Good day.

Then you have a job to make what you're hearing about. Probably, it's also for you to know why they're refusing. Give them information. Don't send mixed signals to people who have problem with trusting others. Don't lie either.

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4 hours ago, crystalclear said:

Just because I didn't go into detail doesn't mean anything other than  my mind is made up about it. Im potentially leaving a career forever so you best believe I have done my research. It doesn't change the fact that Im nervous about it.

"done my research" 

I think we all know this type. 

2 hours ago, anewsns said:

I feel like people who want "freedom" to the extent of not paying dues for the benefits of living in society need to find a way to live off grid on self sustainable land with like-minded people nearby if they need further support.  Preventing covid would also be less of a concern if someone was living away from the rest of society as well. 

Did you see the post about the dystopian fantasy for the covid non-believers? It's worth a read.

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"Some people can't even afford to take time off to get the shot, let alone get sick from the shot." 

This is not an excuse. Most companies will find a way for their employees to get vaccinated. It's in the companies best interest. Also, you can get vaccinated somewhere almost 24/7.

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6 hours ago, jive turkey said:

I take that to mean you're being a smarty I'll pull your card on it.  Suppose the government and employers decided to do that.  They tried something similar in NY by limiting the dispense of sugary drinks.  People had a hissy note that's done. 

What if employers requires exercise breaks or get fired? What if there was a limit on the amount of carbs you could buy?

You'd be cool with that mandate? What about society?

This is entirely off-topic, but I have often wished that hospitals would provide a gym for us to work out in during breaks or before/after shift. I would be all over that. I think it's because we had a small one in the hospital when I was in the military, along with really nice gyms on post, and I enjoyed having easier access to them. Especially for the staff there on-call, or night staff, that maybe wanted to work out during their meal break, it was just nice. Even during deployment, we would often find ways to allow staff to go work out during breaks if we could swing it. It's such an excellent stress reliever. 

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2 hours ago, HarleyvQuinn said:

This is entirely off-topic, but I have often wished that hospitals would provide a gym for us to work out in during breaks or before/after shift. I would be all over that. I think it's because we had a small one in the hospital when I was in the military, along with really nice gyms on post, and I enjoyed having easier access to them. Especially for the staff there on-call, or night staff, that maybe wanted to work out during their meal break, it was just nice. Even during deployment, we would often find ways to allow staff to go work out during breaks if we could swing it. It's such an excellent stress reliever. 

When I worked nights on the floor I soooo wished they had that. But that's the thing, this country is capital and production oriented, not health oriented.

Thats why we have people getting half hr lunches.  Barely enough time to stuff food in ones face and relax.  

On topic though, imagine if employers mandated exercise breaks for example, where there was a proctor in the gym counting how many minutes you worked out and if you didn't, you were subject to be terminated.  Because after all, heart disease kills in the 100s of thousands.  Have to save lives.

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1 minute ago, jive turkey said:

When I worked nights on the floor I soooo wished they had that. But that's the thing, this country is capital and production oriented, not health oriented.

Thats why we have people getting half hr lunches.  Barely enough time to stuff food in ones face and relax.  

On topic though, imagine if employers mandated exercise breaks for example, where there was a proctor in the gym counting how many minutes you worked out and if you didn't, you were subject to be terminated.  Because after all, heart disease kills in the 100s of thousands.  Have to save lives.

Haha. We'd all be unemployed. My mind generated a Drill Instructor with a whistle, of course. I remember barely being able to get the lunch in at all due to poor staffing. Then the employer implemented punitive action against anyone who didn't clock out for a lunch during their shift, then it moved to if you didn't clock out early enough in the shift for your lunch. . . Writing people up for not clocking out on time for lunch all the while they're still hemorrhaging staff. Maybe we could have treadmills instead of chairs to run while we document instead??

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