Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

beachynurse, ASN, BSN · Sep 3, 2021

On 8/20/2021 at 5:01 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

This ought to be "interesting".

How do you feel about losing your job because you are being non-compliant with public health recommendations during a public health emergency? We're all just waiting with baited breath to hear how the intentionally unvaccinated HCW feels bullied or singled out, while they endanger everyone.

As health care professionals, I feel that it is our duty to be role models for the public. How can a person who chooses to go against public health recommendations possibly encourage our patients to vaccinate, or even to administer the vaccine? I chose to take the vaccine, not only to protect myself, and my family, but my friends, co-workers, patients, and those I pass by in public. No matter what we take, or ingest there are negative aspects to it and we don't stop eating, drinking, breathing, take medications, so why is this any different.

If you choose not to vaccinate, then you choose the consequences that go along with it. You are not being bullied, your employer is giving you a choice. They are not saying that you have to be vaccinated, you can choose not to, however, they can choose not to hire, or not keep those that do not meet their standards.

summertx · Sep 3, 2021

20 hours ago, subee said:

The government is not mandating you. Your employer is.

Subee - Seriously, how is it that you aren't up to date with your knowledge? Pres Biden just stated he will cease CMS and Medicaid funding for facilities who get reimbursed through CMS if employees aren't vaccinated. Is CMS not a part of the government? Your ripping through here making comments is not proving anything. Please get up to date knowledge.

allnurses Guide · Sep 3, 2021

4 minutes ago, summertx said:

Subee - Seriously, how is it that you aren't up to date with your knowledge? Pres Biden just stated he will cease CMS and Medicaid funding for facilities who get reimbursed through CMS if employees aren't vaccinated. Is CMS not a part of the government? Your ripping through here making comments is not proving anything. Please get up to date knowledge.

Just LTCs I thought?

SmilingBluEyes · Sep 3, 2021

5 hours ago, summertx said:

Subee - Seriously, how is it that you aren't up to date with your knowledge? Pres Biden just stated he will cease CMS and Medicaid funding for facilities who get reimbursed through CMS if employees aren't vaccinated. Is CMS not a part of the government? Your ripping through here making comments is not proving anything. Please get up to date knowledge.

LTC yes. Not hospitals on a large scale. At least not what I have heard. LTC are where some of the most vulnerable among us live. SO maybe this is not a bad idea.

I just worry about staffing.

jive turkey · Sep 3, 2021

5 hours ago, summertx said:

Subee - Seriously, how is it that you aren't up to date with your knowledge? Pres Biden just stated he will cease CMS and Medicaid funding for facilities who get reimbursed through CMS if employees aren't vaccinated. Is CMS not a part of the government? Your ripping through here making comments is not proving anything. Please get up to date knowledge.

5 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

Just LTCs I thought?

Don't forget about California's mandate. That's the Government.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Order-of-the-State-Public-Health-Officer-Health-Care-Worker-Vaccine-Requirement.aspx

SmilingBluEyes · Sep 4, 2021

52 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Don't forget about California's mandate. That's the Government.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Order-of-the-State-Public-Health-Officer-Health-Care-Worker-Vaccine-Requirement.aspx

CMS and Medicaid funding are federal.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 4, 2021

2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

Don't forget about California's mandate. That's the Government.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Order-of-the-State-Public-Health-Officer-Health-Care-Worker-Vaccine-Requirement.aspx

You don't like the employer anymore? Leave.

anewsns · Sep 4, 2021

21 hours ago, beachynurse said:

As health care professionals, I feel that it is our duty to be role models for the public. How can a person who chooses to go against public health recommendations possibly encourage our patients to vaccinate, or even to administer the vaccine? I chose to take the vaccine, not only to protect myself, and my family, but my friends, co-workers, patients, and those I pass by in public. No matter what we take, or ingest there are negative aspects to it and we don't stop eating, drinking, breathing, take medications, so why is this any different.

If you choose not to vaccinate, then you choose the consequences that go along with it. You are not being bullied, your employer is giving you a choice. They are not saying that you have to be vaccinated, you can choose not to, however, they can choose not to hire, or not keep those that do not meet their standards.

So true about educating the public. I was so excited to get the vaccine, I acted like I won the lottery when I got the email to sign up. I was so sure people would want the vaccine to help life go back to normal and ran around telling friends and family about it and when they would be likely to get it too and how to sign up. I was not bullying in any way, just so happy that my loved ones would be safe soon and we could see each other safely. At least half (or more even) were politically different than me as well. It wasnt this big weird argument that we are having nowadays. For the majority of these people, I am a main source of info! I just gave them the basic info and led by example. Like any medicine I talk about (or vaccine), I don't talk about every potential teeny tiny side effect in every study. Only the top and most common ones and also of course when I mention rare ones I add that it is rare. People should know how common side effects are, you don't place equal weight on risk of stroke vs. risk of redness at the injection site and flu like symptoms. I try to stay very up to date as I feel that my statements and example are highly valued by the people around me. My goal is to keep them safe but also help them be able to have more freedom without fear of the virus. Most of them got the vaccine as soon as available, but a few didn't at all and aside from continuing to set an example and reminding them of safety measures, I leave them alone. Long story short, I am not here to evilly limit peoples freedom and bully people into doing something they don't feel comfortable with. We all know how to do ACTUAL research because we went to nursing school instead of running around acting just as confused about information as everyone else.

allnurses Guide · Sep 4, 2021

There are very few unknowns regarding covid vaccination at this point: the two outstanding concerns being 1. how long does immunity last and 2. how will immunity stand up against variants.

Serious adverse effects from covid vaccination is exceedingly rare and in almost every case it is far more rare then the risk of the illness causing the same effect.

No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing illness; this is not a reasonable expectation. The fact covid vaccines are >85% is outstanding. They are even better at preventing serious illness and death which is what most people should be concerned with.

Can you please share the sources on the prevalence rate of "SERIOUS LIFELONG DEBILITATION" from covid vaccines? To put that in perspective, I will share the number of people that suffered SERIOUS LIFELONG DEATH from covid: 4,547,000.

guest1168940 · Sep 4, 2021

For the agency or traveler nurses does your company mandate the covid vaccine?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 4, 2021

Ridiculous metaphor. We don't have legions of engineers studying the long term mechanical problems of cars. What is long-term for a car? We already know how vaccines behave and any problems are immediate because they leave the body almost immediately. That's why there were a miniscule number of problems despite 5.3 billions of doses have been given so far. 5.3 billion of N's in the experiment ought to tell you something. When's the last time you saw 5.35 billion doses of anything being given to anybody? And with all the world's eyes on any problems. Do you really believe that a drug company would unleash something so unsafe onto the public when they knew that 5.35 billion doses were going to be administered in less than 6 months? Do you think that virologists, immunologists, physicians, public health experts and manufacturers want to put a failure out there and ruin their reputations and their businesses? Why would they behave so imprudently? Yet you insist that they MUST BE because that conforms to your conspiratorial monologue. Would you treat your oncologist with such disdain (yeah, right, we nurses know MORE than the professions I listed above) if they offered a treatment protocol that has been out of Phase 1 and phase 2 studies? I would dump you as a patient because you have no respect for what I am trying to do for you. I know there is someone out there in crazy land who will tell you what you want to hear.

jive turkey · Sep 4, 2021

44 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't think YOU'VE ever understood the plot. LOL

At least JT understands attitudes like yours is wide spread on your side. Why do people not trust the government mouth pieces? Look in the mirror.

You must be replying to somebody on my ignore list who I Bet gave a smart alec response I don't see. It's interesting they don't get the hint after weeks of being ignored???

I get what you're saying on long term data