January 6 Select Committee

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Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/03/clark-eastman-fifth-amendment/

It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/mark-meadows-lawsuit/index.html

The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.

And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results. 

https://www.newsweek.com/mark-meadows-powerpoint-January-election-results-trump-1658076

The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.

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26 minutes ago, Beerman said:

That's not my understanding.  Do you have a source?

Required approximately 15 seconds to find this.


https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/content/district-judge-timothy-j-kelly
https://ballotpedia.org/Timothy_J._Kelly

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

That's not my understanding.  Do you have a source?

From Ballotpedia's Timothy J. Kelly page:

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Timothy James Kelly is a federal judge on the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. He was nominated to the court by President Donald Trump (R) on June 7, 2017, and confimed by the U.S. Senate on September 5, 2017, by a vote of 94-2.[1][2] To see a full list of judges appointed by Donald Trump, click here.

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Kelly previously worked as the Chief counsel for national security and senior crime counsel to the chair on the Senate Judiciary Committee from 2015-2017. Before that, he served as the staff director for the Caucus on International Narcotics Control in the U.S. Senate from 2013-2017.

Mr. Grassley was the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee 2015 - 2019.

1 hour ago, emtb2rn said:

That's obviously something that would be easy to find.

What I meant was, I don't believe he us the judge who denied bail to Rehl.

Let's see how long it takes you to figure out you were wrong on that.

On 6/7/2022 at 2:16 AM, Beerman said:

Wow.  So, he is a Marine veteran, grandson of cops, and was previously arrested with a carload of guns. ...

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As far as his being an ex Marine, how, in your opinion does this have any bearing on whether he should be allowed bail?  In my opinion, as a retired Marine it doesn't.

On 6/7/2022 at 2:16 AM, Beerman said:

... It seems odd he would try to overthrow the US govt while unarmed, wouldn't you agree?

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Not necessarily.  From all that I've read he was one of the prime planners, and was active in directing many of the activities that occurred that day.

On 6/7/2022 at 2:16 AM, Beerman said:

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He's been in custody for over a year, without bail.  Why is that?  Other than this is a political witchunt

Because, as one of the organizers he is viewed as a greater threat.  And, his three co-defendents remain in jail, without bond ad well 

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9 minutes ago, Beerman said:

That's obviously something that would be easy to find.

What I meant was, I don't believe he us the judge who denied bail to Rehl.

Let's see how long it takes you to figure out you were wrong on that.

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US District Court for the District of Columbia Judge Timothy Kelly, in the order issued late Friday, found by “‘clear and convincing evidence’ that because of the prospective danger to the community that Tarrio presents, that ‘no condition or combination of conditions will reasonably assure the safety of any other person and the community.'”

https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/05/us-federal-judge-denies-former-proud-boys-leaders-bail-request/

Do you have another source that names another judge?

1 hour ago, chare said:

As far as his being an ex Marine, how, in your opinion does this have any bearing on whether he should be allowed bail?  In my opinion, as a retired Marine it doesn't.

Not necessarily.  From all that I've read he was one of the prime planners, and was active in directing many of the activities that occurred that day.

Because, as one of the organizers he is viewed as a greater threat.  And, his three co-defendents remain in jail, without bond ad well 

I didn't say him being a Marine had anything to do with bail.

Organizer or not, it seems odd that those kind of extremists who are typically thought ti be gun rights zealots, and with his background, it doesn't make sense he would plan to overthrow the govt without arms, imo.

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On 6/7/2022 at 2:16 AM, Beerman said:

 It seems odd he would try to overthrow the US govt while unarmed, wouldn't you agree? 

Well documented that guns were stored in Maryland hotel rooms by Oath Keepers. . Wash. DC has strict gun laws --didn't want to get caught. Metal detectors required to get thru Main consumer entrances so left behind.  Guns aren't they only things to cause severe injury.  Much damage done by rioters using pepper/bear spray, flag poles, batons,  fire extinguisher, and stolen police shields resulting in

DOJ: Nearly 140 police officers injured in U.S. Capitol riot

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Nearly 140 police officers were injured when a violent pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this month to stop lawmakers from cementing President Biden’s election victory, the Justice Department said in a court filing Monday.

The department said 81 officers from the U.S. Capitol Police and 58 Washington Metropolitan Police officers were assaulted during the Jan. 6 riot.

Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick was bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher by rioters. He returned to his division office and then collapsed.

Officer Sicknick was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.

A Connecticut man was arrested last week after prosecutors said he used a riot shield to pin one police officer against the door, while protesters pummeled the officer....

140 Officers were Injured in Capitol Riot, Officials Say - POLICE Mag

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“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.”

 

Beerman, you haven't replied if you are planning to watch the January 6th's committee hearings.  I'm taping it so I can rewatch.   Got my pretzels ready along with Constant Comment Tea as refreshments.

06/09/2022 Select Committee Hearing

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The committee will present previously unseen material documenting January 6th, receive witness testimony, and provide the American people an initial summary of its findings about the coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and prevent the transfer of power. The committee will also preview additional hearings

McCarthy: "When they started breaking into my office...I made a phone call to the President, let him know what was going on..."

 

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What we know about the Proud Boys’ involvement in Jan. 6

One of the interesting developments in our fragmented media age is the rise of the documentary filmmaker as a point of access. Where once coverage from a network news reporter or newspaper journalist was seen as desirable, the advent of social media has allowed those interested to reach the public directly without moderation. But a movie? That’s different and has a different appeal. There’s an importance to it.

So it is that some of the most intriguing developments related to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol may derive from documentarians who were accompanying figures central to the day’s events. There was the crew accompanying Donald Trump’s longtime adviser Roger Stone who offered insights into both how Stone scrambled to get out of Washington that day and his interactions with members of the right-wing extremist group the Oath Keepers. And there was a documentarian filming members of another extremist group, the Proud Boys, whose experiences with the group will reportedly be a central part of the first public hearing of the House select committee investigating the attack.

It’s worth noting at the outset that the Proud Boys are an independent organization that nonetheless overlaps with Trump’s political world. Stone was friends with Enrique Tarrio, the Proud Boys’ leader in the period between the 2020 election and the Capitol riot. As the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) has written, “Proud Boys activity has been strongly correlated with the fortunes of former President Trump.” The group had earned a reputation for engaging in street violence with perceived political leftists, but by 2020 its focus was clear: ACLED notes that 97 of the 152 demonstrations in which Proud Boys participated that year “were explicitly in support of then-President Trump.”

Importantly, nearly all of those events came after Trump called on the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by” when asked to denounce the group during a presidential debate. It is likely that Trump simply fumbled the demand that he ask the Proud Boys to “stand down,” but the group took Trump’s words at face value. From that September debate until the end of the year, the group was involved in 79 pro-Trump demonstrations....

...While the Oath Keepers had been planning for an armed response to Trump’s loss for some time, the Proud Boys appear to have been mobilized around Jan. 6 only after Trump tweeted that there would be a “wild” protest in D.C. on that day. According to the government’s indictment, Tarrio and other Proud Boys formed a new chapter of the organization on Dec. 20 called the Ministry of Self Defense (MOSD). The focus, Tarrio said, is “national rally planning.” Trump’s tweet encouraging people to come to Washington was posted Dec. 19....

 

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I thought a NEWS ORGANIZATION responsibility was reporting major events of the day along with gathering news and reports for transmittal to newspapers, magazines, broadcasting stations, and other subscribers. While an entertainment channel  provides activity that holds the attention and interest of an audience or gives pleasure and delight.  Proves Fox News channel is not serious news organization but entertainment focused catering to its viewers. ?

Walter Cronkite, Edward R. Murrow,  David Brinkley, Harry Reasoner,Chet Huntley,  and Peter Jennings rolling over in their graves. 

1 hour ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Well documented that guns were stored in Maryland hotel rooms. Wash. DC has strict gun laws --didn't want to get caught. Metal detectors required to get thru Main consumer entrances so left behind.  Guns aren't they only things to cause severe injury.  Much damage done by rioters using pepper/bear spray, flag poles, batons,  fire extinguisher, and stolen police shields resulting in

DOJ: Nearly 140 police officers injured in U.S. Capitol riot

140 Officers were Injured in Capitol Riot, Officials Say - POLICE Mag

 

Beerman, you haven't replied if you are planning to watch the January 6th's committee hearings.  I'm taping it so I can rewatch.   Got my pretzels ready along with Constant Comment Tea as refreshments.

06/09/2022 Select Committee Hearing

McCarthy: "When they started breaking into my office...I made a phone call to the President, let him know what was going on..."

 

I'm not denying there was a riot and much damage done.  And people should be punished for that damage, and breaking into the capitol.

That's different then there being some great scheme to overtake the US Government.  Do you really think people involved in such a plan would be afraid of breaking gun laws?  And they would decide pepper spray and stealing police shields would be the way to go.  Give me a break.

You never replied (no one else did either...crickets) on my comment about the unusually harsh treatment of Navarro.  Can't defend that, can you?

I might tune in when it's convenient for me.  I'll be camping high in the Rockies thus weekend, then on to a Caribbean vacation.  So, don't know that I'll see much.

No, won't be recording it.

Will you be watching the Hollywood production version on ABC?

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7 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I'm not denying there was a riot and much damage done.  And people should be punished for that damage, and breaking into the capitol.

That's different then there being some great scheme to overtake the US Government.  Do you really think people involved in such a plan would be afraid of breaking gun laws?  And they would decide pepper spray and stealing police shields would be the way to go.  Give me a break.

You never replied (no one else did either...crickets) on my comment about the unusually harsh treatment of Navarro.  Can't defend that, can you?

I might tune in when it's convenient for me.  I'll be camping high in the Rockies thus weekend, then on to a Caribbean vacation.  So, don't know that I'll see much.

No, won't be recording it.

Will you be watching the Hollywood production version on ABC?

I feel like those that were there were pretty clear that their intent was to prevent the electoral college from legally determining that Biden was the next President, and to instead take steps to install Trump as the next President, is that still something that is supposedly up for debate?  

I was also skeptical when it was reported that part of the strategy of the Proud Boys and other groups was that there was an advantage to being unarmed, but actually it does make sense.  An armed violent mob isn't even making it to the Capital steps, much less to the point where they can force their way in.  Once they're in, being armed or not really doesn't make that much of a difference.  

I would certainly agree that if Navarro was really placed in "leg irons" then that was probably unnecessary, although I've seen no confirmation that this occurred.  As for whether it was excessive to arrest him, no, he's been charged with two criminal counts, those are things nobody should be surprised to get arrested for.

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