How soon can we expect to see cases go down now that Biden is president?

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 19, 2020

13 hours ago, Kyrshamarks said:

3: This disease IS NOT GOING AWAY EVER! We have to learn how to live with it and still live our lives . It is alot more survivable than the media and politicos let on. As nurses we see the illness up close. And don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. I have spent the last year as a travel nurse in the ER's and ICU's of hotspots. New Orleans, NYC, New Mexico and now the Navajo/Hopi Nation.

I agree that covid is a very survivalable disease. I do think the media is reporting this. I read an article in mainstream media that death rates have fallen 30%. New York Times reported recently that death rates among the critically ill with covid as fallen. NPR reported it.

I do think that some people use these stats to downplay it or any mitigation efforts. Fair enough, but that's only part of the picture. The other part is strain on the hospital systems, the severely ill, the people struggling to breath. But you see the illness up close and you know this.

I do agree that covid probably isn't ever going to go away. We know how AIDS spreads and have treatment, but it's still here. Our best chance against covid is to hold it at bay to avoid suffering, until we can get some sort of herd immunity through vaccination.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Nov 19, 2020

13 hours ago, Kyrshamarks said:

Several things:

1: Biden is NOT the President, nor is he even the President Elect. Not one electoral vote has been cast for anyone until Dec 8.

2: They cannot mandate no gatherings and mask wearing, gatherings are actually protected under the Constitution. Masks should be worn but you cannot dictate someone wear a mask, Think yellow Stars and the 1930's and 40's.

3: This disease IS NOT GOING AWAY EVER! We have to learn how to live with it and still live our lives . It is alot more survivable than the media and politicos let on. As nurses we see the illness up close. And don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. I have spent the last year as a travel nurse in the ER's and ICU's of hotspots. New Orleans, NYC, New Mexico and now the Navajo/Hopi Nation.

OMG...you are equivocating the Holocaust with a pandemic? The press has been perfectly clear that Covid is highly survivable so I don't know what press you are reading. However, what it does do our hospital systems is dangerous to others in the community. It is dangerous and demoralizing for the staff to see some patients so sick for NO understandable reason except equating mask wearing as unmacho and an issue of freedom. Sick people cannot be free to make others sick on purpose.

chare · Nov 19, 2020

16 hours ago, Kyrshamarks said:

Several things:

1: Biden is NOT the President, nor is he even the President Elect. Not one electoral vote has been cast for anyone until Dec 8.

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Whether the Electoral College has cast its vote is irrelevant in designating a candidate as the President Elect. Nor is timing of this addressed anywhere the constitution. With 290 ectoral votes, Mr. Biden currently has a 58 vote lead over Mr. Trump. Do you seriously think Mr. Trump has any chance of overcoming this?

Like it or not, come 20 January, 2021 Mr. Biden is going to become the 46th President of the United States. And Mr. Trump needs to concede now so that the transition process can begin.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 19, 2020

6 minutes ago, chare said:

Whether the Electoral College has cast its vote is irrelevant in designating a candidate as the President Elect. Nor is timing of this addressed anywhere the constitution. With 290 ectoral votes, Mr. Biden currently has a 58 vote lead over Mr. Trump. Do you seriously think Mr. Trump has any chance of overcoming this?

Like it or not, come 20 January, 2021 Mr. Biden is going to become the 46th President of the United States. And Mr. Trump needs to concede now so that the transition process can begin.

It was informative that denial of election results was the first, seemingly most important, item on the list. Right this moment Giuliani is out making election fraud claims that he can't defend in a court of law, again. How do people believe him, at this point?

MunoRN, RN · Nov 19, 2020

21 hours ago, Kyrshamarks said:

Several things:

1: Biden is NOT the President, nor is he even the President Elect. Not one electoral vote has been cast for anyone until Dec 8.

2: They cannot mandate no gatherings and mask wearing, gatherings are actually protected under the Constitution. Masks should be worn but you cannot dictate someone wear a mask, Think yellow Stars and the 1930's and 40's.

3: This disease IS NOT GOING AWAY EVER! We have to learn how to live with it and still live our lives . It is alot more survivable than the media and politicos let on. As nurses we see the illness up close. And don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. I have spent the last year as a travel nurse in the ER's and ICU's of hotspots. New Orleans, NYC, New Mexico and now the Navajo/Hopi Nation.

It's not "more survivable than the media and politicos let on". The current case-mortality rate in the US is about 2.3%. So long as the number of cases remains low, that's 2.3% of a small number. If we allow the number of cases to increase then that's 2.3% of a much larger number. If it's allowed to work it's way through the US population unmitigated, then that's about 7.5 million deaths in the US. That's SIX TIMES the number of Americans who died in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam all combined. To say that wearing a mask and socializing with extended family over zoom is too much trouble to avoid having that many deaths is pathetic. But you're right in that we do need to live with it, which means implementing ways to reduce it's impact, not pretending like it doesn't exist.

There's no legally defined definition of "President Elect", but the commonly used definition historically is that it's the candidate who will be President barring some sort of highly unusual circumstances. It might be one thing if there were any court cases, either current or proposed, that could alter the election result, but there isn't. The Trump campaign has yet to assert the claims of fraud in court that they are claiming in public (even sketchy lawyers know better than to commit perjury).

It's not unconstitutional, and not even a legally gray area, whether governments can implement public health measures, actually they are legally required to. I don't even know how to respond to your claim that wearing a mask to limit the spread of the pandemic is somehow similar to making Jews identifiable through yellow stars to facilitate their eventual capture, imprisonment, and extermination.

whatintheworld · Nov 20, 2020

According to people in my area Biden will cure COVID 19 on Jan. 20th

toomuchbaloney · Nov 20, 2020

5 minutes ago, whatintheworld said:

According to people in my area Biden will cure COVID 19 on Jan. 20th

Sure.

Probably the same people who thought it was all a liberal plot to make Trump look bad.

whatintheworld · Nov 20, 2020

No they really think he has a cure and everything is going to be OK now.

MunoRN, RN · Nov 20, 2020

11 minutes ago, whatintheworld said:

According to people in my area Biden will cure COVID 19 on Jan. 20th

I've heard no claims that "Biden will cure Covid 19 on Jan 20th", a reference to what you're referring to might be helpful.

I have heard people express optimism that Biden will be a more effective leader during a pandemic than Trump, which is a pretty low bar.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 20, 2020

I have heard claims of an "election infection" that would have gone away after the election, but the opposite seems to have happened.

It looks like all signed are pointing to a vaccine by the end of the year and into next year.

This could be Trump's legacy were it not for how people feel he handled it at the beginning. Which is too bad because it's a stunning breakthrough of what we can do when we set our minds to it.

Instead Trump seems focused on the low death rate when it comes to covid and his claims that he won the election.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Nov 20, 2020

11 hours ago, whatintheworld said:

No they really think he has a cure and everything is going to be OK now.

You are either mendacious or confused. It was Eric Trump who proclaimed that the virus would go away after the election.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Nov 20, 2020

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I have heard claims of an "election infection" that would have gone away after the election, but the opposite seems to have happened.

It looks like all signed are pointing to a vaccine by the end of the year and into next year.

This could be Trump's legacy were it not for how people feel he handled it at the beginning. Which is too bad because it's a stunning breakthrough of what we can do when we set our minds to it.

Instead Trump seems focused on the low death rate when it comes to covid and his claims that he won the election.

Fauci's predictions have proven to be true for number of deaths by Winter but here we are and it isn't even Winter yet.

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/fauci-us-could-experience-400k-coronavirus-deaths-this-Winter/UA4WJNWLB5HJVJVW6BZLRWEMWI/