How soon can we expect to see cases go down now that Biden is president?

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Will there never be another surge of positive cases and deaths now?

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I have heard claims of an "election infection" that would have gone away after the election, but the opposite seems to have happened.

It looks like all signed are pointing to a vaccine by the end of the year and into next year.

This could be Trump's legacy were it not for how people feel he handled it at the beginning.   Which is too bad because it's a stunning breakthrough of what we can do when we set our minds to it.

Instead Trump seems focused on the low death rate when it comes to covid and his claims that he won the election.

 

Do you think we enjoy a low death rate, really? 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923253681/americans-are-dying-in-the-pandemic-at-rates-far-higher-than-in-other-countries

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
6 hours ago, Tweety said:

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Instead Trump seems focused on the low death rate when it comes to covid and his claims that he won the election.

Do you think we enjoy a low death rate, really? 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923253681/americans-are-dying-in-the-pandemic-at-rates-far-higher-than-in-other-countries

I might be mistaken, but I think he's referring to Mr. Trump's claim.

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6 minutes ago, chare said:

I might be mistaken, but I think he's referring to Mr. Trump's claim.

Yes, I  agree that he was referencing Trump's claim.  I asked his opinion about the claim.  I'm pretty certain that Tweety doesn't agree with Trump's claim.  It's an opportunity to discuss the gaslighting, propaganda and dangerous lies that ooze from the Trump administration. 

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We can expect cases to go down sooner if most, not just some people masked and avoided crowds as a matter of routine. 

MMWR

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20 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think we enjoy a low death rate, really? 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923253681/americans-are-dying-in-the-pandemic-at-rates-far-higher-than-in-other-countries

It's been about a month but it was widely reported that death rates were dropping in the United States.  

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03132-4

The other way to look at it and report is that 97% of people with covid survive.  This is why people say "why ruin the economy when 97% of the people survive"?  

Do I think a 2.2% death rate is high?  No.   But the problem with so many people getting it 2 to 3% is a lot of people and that undermines the strain on the hospital system.

The United Kingdom with it's universal health care has a higher death rate that the United States.  India with a huge population, crowded polluted cities, and large numbers of infections has a lower death rate (but their average age is lower).

That the United States has a high death rate compared to other countries doesn't surprise me.  When you look at how unhealthy we are and our high rates of obesity, heart disease and diabetes which are among the highest in the world it's a understandable.  Compare that to the slim and healthy Japanese with the lowest rate of obesity among wealthy countries and you might see how I come to this.  

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

But yes, I'm deeply disturbed at the deaths per capita and mitigation efforts.  I don't think a policy of letting it run rampant without concern is the right course of action.

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53 minutes ago, Tweety said:

It's been about a month but it was widely reported that death rates were dropping in the United States.  

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03132-4

The other way to look at it and report is that 97% of people with covid survive.  This is why people say "why ruin the economy when 97% of the people survive"?  

Do I think a 2.2% death rate is high?  No.   But the problem with so many people getting it 2 to 3% is a lot of people and that undermines the strain on the hospital system.

The United Kingdom with it's universal health care has a higher death rate that the United States.  India with a huge population, crowded polluted cities, and large numbers of infections has a lower death rate (but their average age is lower).

That the United States has a high death rate compared to other countries doesn't surprise me.  When you look at how unhealthy we are and our high rates of obesity, heart disease and diabetes which are among the highest in the world it's a understandable.  Compare that to the slim and healthy Japanese with the lowest rate of obesity among wealthy countries and you might see how I come to this.  

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

But yes, I'm deeply disturbed at the deaths per capita and mitigation efforts.  I don't think a policy of letting it run rampant without concern is the right course of action.

Yep.

The entire Trump pandemic plan was focused upon controlling the narrative rather than the virus.  The Trump base is unable to discern truth from lies relative to covid, preferring to believe Trump rather than the data.  

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-wrongly-claims-it-has-ended-covid-19-pandemic-2020-10

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A new administration no matter how likeable will never be a magic bullet. Are some telling me that there are NOT some that truly believe that Biden will not be the ultimate savior that will end the COVID in the US?

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20 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

A new administration no matter how likeable will never be a magic bullet. Are some telling me that there are NOT some that truly believe that Biden will not be the ultimate savior that will end the COVID in the US?

Is there some evidence to suggest that such a phenomenon would involve more than a very small segment of the population? Certainly that "savior" concept is not represntative of mainstream thinking and does not reflect the reporting or attitude of any of the several media outlets that I read regularly.  

It is widely recognized that Biden will bring a needed change to the failed Trump covid policy.  People are hopeful that the country can unify behind a coherent plan to get control of our community spread.  Trump can't provide that coherent plan but Biden can.  

Does that make him a savior? No, that makes him a responsible and competent executive.  

I think this savior thing is a non issue.

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11 hours ago, DesiDani said:

A new administration no matter how likeable will never be a magic bullet. Are some telling me that there are NOT some that truly believe that Biden will not be the ultimate savior that will end the COVID in the US?

Yes, of course.  If I'm reading you correctly.  I don't believe that Biden will end the COVID in the US.  It's a virus not a political problem he can make go away by taking office.

It's our behavior as individuals that will help the most and at least we aren't going to have a President encouraging us to throw caution to the wind because it's not that bad and the death rate is low.  It will be refreshing to have a more medical/science minded approach.  

But as I've said, resistance to what is perceived as an assault on our freedoms is strong.  Our behavior indicates that we are willing to let the disease run rampant regardless of the consequences because the overwhelming majority of us aren't getting it and those that do, like Trump, survive.

By the time Biden takes office hopefully things will be settling down and the vaccine will be rolling out.

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12 hours ago, DesiDani said:

A new administration no matter how likeable will never be a magic bullet. Are some telling me that there are NOT some that truly believe that Biden will not be the ultimate savior that will end the COVID in the US?

You need to get a new set of friends if that is what you are hearing.  

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It’s hard to say what will happen when the current administration is refusing to concede, and therefore delaying the process of transition for the new administration.
 

In previous Presidential elections, the old administration would meet with the new one to discuss and address current issues, but it seems like that won’t happen, despite COVID killing thousands of people every day. 
 

Apparently Biden has already developed a task force of medical professionals to address the virus come January, but plans can only be discussed and NOT instated unless there is some sort of peaceful transition. Who knows how heavily COVID will attack after the holidays?  It’s pretty shameful and only does a disservice to the citizens of this country. 
 

 

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16 hours ago, DesiDani said:

Are some telling me that there are NOT some that truly believe that Biden will not be the ultimate savior that will end the COVID in the US?

Would it be possible for you to not ask your questions in the form of gramatically challenged riddles? Is the first ”some” the same ”some” as the second ”some”? Or are we talking different groups of people here? Is there one ”not” too many in your question? Is the second ”not” really supposed to be there? 

To answer what I think you meant to ask: I do not personally know a single epidemiological simpleton. Meaning I don’t know a single person who thinks that any one individual, even one as powerful as a President, can make a pandemic go poof in no time at all. Do these epidemiological simpletons exist? Well considering there’s almost 8 billion of us on this planet, perhaps one or two... Why do you want to know? 

I’ve found this entire thread confusing. Perhaps OP, you could just come out and state the point you wish to make? 

Thank you ?

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