Getting Flack For Not Getting Covid Vaccine

[EDnurseAmen]

I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds.  This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it. 

Is anyone else experiencing anything like this?

How are you handing this?

Please mind the poor spelling and grammar ?

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

A lie is a lie is a lie.  Trying to justify the lie just makes the liar a worse person.

[klone, MSN, RN]

1 hour ago, Pixie.RN said:

Feeling pretty good today, just a sore arm. I had some random muscle aches with a little chill late last night, but I feel pretty good today. Hope you are feeling well too, @klone! 

Sore arm, that’s it. Hopefully we’re in the clear! 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, pmabraham said:

A lie is a lie is a lie.  Trying to justify the lie just makes the liar a worse person.

LOL

You mean like all of the intentional and obvious Trump lies that were justified by Trump supporters makes all of those Trumpers worse than Trump? Because it's not actually a fact in evidence that Fauci lied but it's very clear that Trump did lie...often. 

[GrumpyRN, NP]

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

You mean like all of the intentional and obvious Trump lies that were justified by Trump supporters makes all of those Trumpers worse than Trump? Because it's not actually a fact in evidence that Fauci lied but it's very clear that Trump did lie...often. 

D*mn baloney, you beat me to it. ??

[Kitiger, RN]

12 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci says he doesn't regret joining other Trump administration public health experts in advising Americans against buying masks early on in the COVID-19 pandemic.

In an interview with CBS Evening News anchor and 60 Minutes correspondent Norah O'Donnell published in InStyle magazine, Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, defended his credibility amid a steady stream of attacks on his expertise and trustworthiness from the White House.  

In late February and early March as the COVID-19 outbreak began accelerating in the US, hospitals and health facilities experienced severe shortages of personal protective equipment for healthcare workers. In response, experts like Fauci and the US Surgeon General Jerome Adams advised Americans against wearing masks.

"I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people," Fauci told O'Donnell. 

Jul 16, 2020, 

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7?r=US&IR=T

Looking back, I see three ways the severe shortage of PPE could have been managed. 

The first way would have been for the government to have required the stores to turn in to the federal government all (or a percentage) of the masks they had in storage. The masks that the stores had ordered could have been seized by the government (the federal government did do this). The federal government could have then sent the supplies to where they were most needed. This could not happen because President Trump insisted, and kept insisting, that the coronavirus was no big deal. He told people that the virus would go away on its own and that people did not have to change their lifestyles to adapt to the virus.

The second way would have been for Dr. Fauci to tell us that the masks were desperately needed by the hospitals, so please don't try to stock up at home. I'm pretty sure that would have caused a run on masks, similar to the way our people stocked up on toilet paper.  ?

The third way would have been for him to do what he did. He told us that masks were not even needed by the general public. Nurses and other health care workers knew better, but the general public did not then go out and buy as many masks as they could.

 

[JKL33]

25 minutes ago, Kitiger said:

The third way would have been for him to do what he did. He told us that masks were not even needed by the general public. Nurses and other health care workers knew better, but the general public did not then go out and buy as many masks as they could.

I do not support this.

I have no axe to grind with him and generally think he has been a voice of reason and has tried hard to provide good information in a very difficult situation.

I do not think it was the right thing to do. I think the effects of behavior like this is much more far-reaching than just giving conspiracy theorists some "gotcha" on which to hang their hats.  No I don't have any plan that I would've saved the world with. I'm just tired of people doing things with an agenda that certain people aren't supposed to know, and then having anything to say about the fall out in all its various permutations.

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

13 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

Viruses are by far, a massive amount, the most abundant and prolific life forms on the planet. 

The only problem with this statement is that Viruses are not living creatures and have never been living life forms.  This is what the Khan Academy MCAT review has to say.....

 "So were they ever alive? Most biologists say no. Viruses are not made out of cells, they can’t keep themselves in a stable state, they don’t grow, and they can’t make their own energy. Even though they definitely replicate and adapt to their environment, viruses are more like androids than real living organisms."

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

6 hours ago, Kitiger said:

The second way would have been for Dr. Fauci to tell us that the masks were desperately needed by the hospitals, so please don't try to stock up at home. I'm pretty sure that would have caused a run on masks, similar to the way our people stocked up on toilet paper.  ?

 

I distinctly remember that people in my area sought out and bought any sort of mask they could find before masks were advised. This included dust masks from hardware stores. Clinics and hospitals had to lock up the masks they normally provided in waiting rooms because people were taking mass quantities, rather than a single one that they needed for that visit. A cloth mask mandate for my office came out on a Friday, and I stood in line for an hour at the fabric store that afternoon to purchase elastic. There was of course, none to be had and they had been out for 2 weeks. elastic was as hard to come by as TP, in my area. 

[Kitiger, RN]

29 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I distinctly remember that people in my area sought out and bought any sort of mask they could find before masks were advised. This included dust masks from hardware stores. Clinics and hospitals had to lock up the masks they normally provided in waiting rooms because people were taking mass quantities, rather than a single one that they needed for that visit. A cloth mask mandate for my office came out on a Friday, and I stood in line for an hour at the fabric store that afternoon to purchase elastic. There was of course, none to be had and they had been out for 2 weeks. elastic was as hard to come by as TP, in my area. 

This is true; people figured out for themselves that they would need masks.

I was ahead of the game because I always stock up on masks in the fall, to wear outside in the Winter. And, last year my husband stocked up without telling me, so we ended up with twice as many as we needed. All this was before COVID. (Yeah, I did give a bunch to our local nursing home.)

[GrumpyRN, NP]

20 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

This is what the Khan Academy MCAT review has to say.....

Sorry hppy, I know it's off topic slightly but I immediately went to Star Trek and both, "The Wrath of Khan" and the original 1967 appearance. I forgot about the more recent film with Benedict Cumberbatch until I was checking dates. 

OK, back to the discussion in hand...

[GrumpyRN, NP]

Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine: FDA approves single-shot jab

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56226979

Are you going to take the vaccine now?

[guest1163268]

21 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

The only problem with this statement is that Viruses are not living creatures and have never been living life forms.  This is what the Khan Academy MCAT review has to say.....

 "So were they ever alive? Most biologists say no. Viruses are not made out of cells, they can’t keep themselves in a stable state, they don’t grow, and they can’t make their own energy. Even though they definitely replicate and adapt to their environment, viruses are more like androids than real living organisms."

 

Are viruses alive? And other virus-related questions.

This article sort of contains about 50% of the information of the article I read which I can't seem to find. That article centered more on how viruses probably began life as we know it and detailed more of how they evolved into becoming single cells and then specializing into organs to produce the growth necessary for multi cellular organisms. It fleshed out more about the central nervous system evolution as well. If I find it, I will post it. 

I would ask myself the question though, just using common sense, if viruses weren't alive, why is it that they can cause so many problems for living systems when they make contact and apparently miraculously become alive? Are crystals alive? They seem to satisfy some of the requirements for the criterion of life?