I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds. This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it.
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"In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which later became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. In New York City, she organized the first birth control clinic to be staffed by all-female doctors, as well as a clinic in Harlem which had an all African-American advisory council,[11] where African-American staff were later added."
"In personal correspondence she expressed her sadness about the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program, and donated to the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda.[118]"
She was supported by one of the most racist authors in America in the 1920s, the Klansman[124][125] Lothrop Stoddard, who was a founding member of the Board of Directors of Sanger's American Birth Control League.[126][127][128] Chesler comments:
Margaret Sanger was never herself a racist, but she lived in a profoundly bigoted society, and her failure to repudiate prejudice—especially when it was manifest among proponents of her cause—has haunted her ever since.[19]:15
Minimizing? Misinformation? Oh my, what a malarky. I've taken care as many of 40 sickly, geriatric, COVID-19 positive patients per shift when I worked in long-term care from April 2020 to November 2020 and 98% to 99% recovered. The liberal fake news media will not tell you those statistics, but how many infected, how many died, but no percentages.
They don't tell you that JUST after the November election they changed the tests so that there's now a 50% drop of infections. They keep spreading the fear.
People are being negatively impacted by the vaccine, both with severe side effects and deaths... and within 24 hours of being listed such as on a local ABC web site they get deleted and we are told "nothing to see here," the CDC has not verified any severe side effects or deaths. Yet, I personally know two nurses and a patient greatly impacted (thankfully getting better).
Misinformation, my behind.
You guys really live in an alternative reality!
I dare you to, on your unit, start a bizarre conspiracy, one of the old ones was a Nazi eg.
Let's see how many in that tiny environment will take you up? Now think of the logistics.
Yet you want to believe that the figures are being manipulated. On my unit we would medicate you because it's delusional! Psychotic!
Were you trained in Grenada? Ever hear of critical thinking? At what point doesn't things make sense to you or become untenable?
In your own family you couldn't convince them all and you believe that major organizations are suppressing information and for what purpose? To embarrass Trump? Dude is orange and has the worst comb over in history. He looks like Chucky with the vocabulary to match! Does anyone actually need to do more?
I dare you to, on your unit, start a bizarre conspiracy, one of the old ones was a Nazi eg.
Let's see how many in that tiny environment will take you up? Now think of the logistics.
Yet you want to believe that the figures are being manipulated. On my unit we would medicate you because it's delusional! Psychotic!
Were you trained in Grenada? Ever hear of critical thinking? At what point doesn't things make sense to you or become untenable?
In your own family you couldn't convince them all and you believe that major organizations are suppressing information and for what purpose? To embarrass Trump? Dude is orange and has the worst comb over in history. He looks like Chucky with the vocabulary to match! Does anyone actually need to do more?
Check out PMA's "comments" on Reddit and you will see where he is coming from.
As nurses, our practice is evidence based. I think it's appalling that anyone in the medical field is pushing this "vaccine" or bullying anyone. It is EXPERIMENTAL. There is hardly any research done on it. The research they do have from years ago is not good. It killed most of the animals that got the MRNA vaccination, when the animal was exposed to the virus. Don't get me started about testing! The PCR test is not to be used for diagnosis and that's the standard. What a joke! I or any of my loved ones will not be getting this and will not be bullied. You have a right to say no.
You start your post by stating that our practice is evidence based and then you go on and make several claims, and fail to provide scientific support for a single one of them. Why should any thinking person listen to what you have to say on the topic of Covid vaccines?
In which trial were most of the animals ”killed”?
Which virus were they exposed to? We know it’s not SARS-CoV-2 because the trial that you failed to identify took place ”years ago” according to your post. Could you provide the link and explain what bearing your old trial has on the vaccines of today?
The phase 3 trials for the various Covid vaccines that are now used worldwide were actually pretty large. The vaccines have now been administered to many millions. Why do you claim that there has ”hardly been any research” done on the vaccines?
Why do you think that PCR tests are a joke? Could you elaborate?
Absolutely! This isn't a vaccine, it's gene therapy.
How are mRNA vaccines gene therapy? They donotenterthecellnucleus and they donotinteractwithoralteraperson’sDNA in any way. So what exactly are you basing your claim on? I guess it would depend on one’s definition of gene therapy. But let’s be crystal clear. Covid-19 mRNA doesn’t do anything to your or anyone else’s DNA. As is the case with many of the questionable claims made in this thread, you post lacks references or data which supports your claim. Do you have any that you could link?
If someone walks into an ER or clinic with influenza-like symptoms, they are being diagnosed with Covid-19 or suspected Covid-19, the results of the PCR Covid test are irrelevant. Why is no one talking about the increase in amplification from 30 to 40 (some places it's 45) with these PCR Covid tests? The tests are garbage! Of the people I have personally talked to who have had a positive Covid-19 test results, probably 80% of them were exhibiting no symptoms at all, and remained asymptomatic. And as you all know, they are testing EVERYONE who is being admitted to a hospital and before any procedure.
Of the people I’ve talked to with a Covid-19 diagnosis, 43.79581% were asymptomatic. Let’s call that 43.8%... Since we’re sharing anecdotal data... Which is quite a pointless exercise.
Reading your post makes me wonder if you think there’s some grand conspiracy out there trying to hide which cycle protocol labs use for Covid PCR testing?
In my hospital the labs actually come back as either neg (negative) or for example pos(17) or pos(38), positive and the cycle threshold (Ct) at which the virus was detected. It’s reasonable to assume that the patient with the higher viral load (detected after 17 amplification cycles) is more likely to be infectious than the patient with the lower viral load (38 cycles), but do you know exactly when a person stops being infectious?
So while it might be useful to know the Ct value instead of just positive or negative, why do you appear to think that the use of a higher amplification like for example 30 or 40 is used for some kind of nefarious purposes? You do realize that they aren’t false positives, don’t you?
The fact that the PCR tests are ramped up to abnormal Cycle thresholds is not misinformation. Can you agree on that?
No, we can’t agree on that unless you specify what ”abnormal” cycle thresholds are? What should in your opinion be the cutoff? What risks or disadvantages can you identify if the amplification is stopped too soon? And what risks do you see by using a relatively high number of amplification cycles like for example 40?
Well, we can start with Bill gates' father being the head of Planned Parenthood back in the day. They want less people on the Earth. Depopulation. How is someone who wants depopulation funding and profiting off of much of the vaccine industry?
5 hours ago, pmabraham said:
Minimizing? Misinformation? Oh my, what a malarky. I've taken care as many of 40 sickly, geriatric, COVID-19 positive patients per shift when I worked in long-term care from April 2020 to November 2020 and 98% to 99% recovered. The liberal fake news media will not tell you those statistics, but how many infected, how many died, but no percentages.
They don't tell you that JUST after the November election they changed the tests so that there's now a 50% drop of infections. They keep spreading the fear.
People are being negatively impacted by the vaccine, both with severe side effects and deaths... and within 24 hours of being listed such as on a local ABC web site they get deleted and we are told "nothing to see here," the CDC has not verified any severe side effects or deaths. Yet, I personally know two nurses and a patient greatly impacted (thankfully getting better).
Misinformation, my behind.
I find the two of you quite scary.
11 hours ago, Jack Peace said:
....hahaha yeah let's cancel the freedom of speech. That's what you want. That's what all this is about, isn't it? If you can't handle an adult conversation with opposing opinions, get the hell out the way.
Your government isn’t coming after you for posting Covid-19 misinformation, is it?
Your freedom of speech is intact. However the First Amendment won’t shield a person from being criticized when they spread false information. If you come to a nursing forum in the middle of a pandemic and share opinions about pandemic related issues, expect to be challenged when those opinions are unsupported and don’t pass scientific muster.
klone, MSN, RN
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"In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which later became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. In New York City, she organized the first birth control clinic to be staffed by all-female doctors, as well as a clinic in Harlem which had an all African-American advisory council,[11] where African-American staff were later added."
"In personal correspondence she expressed her sadness about the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program, and donated to the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda.[118]"
She was supported by one of the most racist authors in America in the 1920s, the Klansman[124][125] Lothrop Stoddard, who was a founding member of the Board of Directors of Sanger's American Birth Control League.[126][127][128] Chesler comments:
Margaret Sanger was never herself a racist, but she lived in a profoundly bigoted society, and her failure to repudiate prejudice—especially when it was manifest among proponents of her cause—has haunted her ever since.[19]:15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger