I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds. This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it.
Over 76 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 1, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,381 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.
I find the inability to recognize the significance of decreased influenza cases this year by those trying to minimize the severity of Covid-19 to be both fascinating, and disturbing. Why we might be seeing a significant decrease in the prevalence of a respiratory virus in the midst of mitigation measures to prevent the spread of a respiratory virus seems pretty obvious.
Ideally, the best way to measure the effectiveness of mitigation measures would be through direct observation; how many cases occurred during one outbreak of the virus where there were no mitigation measures compared to one where there were mitigation measures. Since we've been using mitigation measures throughout Covid we don't have a different Covid outbreak to compare it to. But since the measures we're using should work the same on any respiratory virus, we can compare this year's flu season to others.
You're correct that influenza cases are down significantly this year, and not by just a little, they are at about 2% of normal for this time of year. And this isn't due to lack of testing because the same indications for testing are in use, and for those that meet those indications the rate of testing is the same as in previous years.
So we can measure the effects of current mitigation measures on the spread of a respiratory virus through direct observation, which is 1/50th of normal. It would be reasonable to figure in a higher rate of virulence for Covid than for influenza, so this many not directly translate, but if we apply this reduction in influenza to Covid--19 to predict where we would be at without mitigation measures, this suggests that the number of cases of Covid-19 would be 50 times what it is now, this would also translate to total deaths, which would be 25 million US deaths.
25 million deaths?!? You know that's now how it works. If someone walks into an ER or clinic with influenza-like symptoms, they are being diagnosed with Covid-19 or suspected Covid-19, the results of the PCR Covid test are irrelevant. Why is no one talking about the increase in amplification from 30 to 40 (some places it's 45) with these PCR Covid tests? The tests are garbage! Of the people I have personally talked to who have had a positive Covid-19 test results, probably 80% of them were exhibiting no symptoms at all, and remained asymptomatic. And as you all know, they are testing EVERYONE who is being admitted to a hospital and before any procedure.
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1 hour ago, Jack Peace said:
25 million deaths?!? You know that's now how it works. If someone walks into an ER or clinic with influenza-like symptoms, they are being diagnosed with Covid-19 or suspected Covid-19, the results of the PCR Covid test are irrelevant. Why is no one talking about the increase in amplification from 30 to 40 (some places it's 45) with these PCR Covid tests? The tests are garbage! Of the people I have personally talked to who have had a positive Covid-19 test results, probably 80% of them were exhibiting no symptoms at all, and remained asymptomatic. And as you all know, they are testing EVERYONE who is being admitted to a hospital and before any procedure.
This is crazy...why are you minimizing this pandemic and sowing misinformation?
Oh thank God, the CDC fact checked all this and we are all safe !! CDC is part of the problem. A big part.
Right, and there's this huge conspiracy among educated people who are TRAINED SCEPTICS to administer vaccines because they are secretly being paid by Soros and Bill Gates to what end may I ask?
Right, and there's this huge conspiracy among educated people who are TRAINED SCEPTICS to administer vaccines because they are secretly being paid by Soros and Bill Gates to what end may I ask?
Well, we can start with Bill gates' father being the head of Planned Parenthood back in the day. They want less people on the Earth. Depopulation. How is someone who wants depopulation funding and profiting off of much of the vaccine industry?
25 million deaths?!? You know that's now how it works. If someone walks into an ER or clinic with influenza-like symptoms, they are being diagnosed with Covid-19 or suspected Covid-19, the results of the PCR Covid test are irrelevant. Why is no one talking about the increase in amplification from 30 to 40 (some places it's 45) with these PCR Covid tests? The tests are garbage! Of the people I have personally talked to who have had a positive Covid-19 test results, probably 80% of them were exhibiting no symptoms at all, and remained asymptomatic. And as you all know, they are testing EVERYONE who is being admitted to a hospital and before any procedure.
The PCRs amplify viral RNA to make it detectable to the sensitivity of the test, Ct (the number of amplifications) varies from lab to lab in order to standardize it to a common level of sensitivity based on other factors in the lab's testing protocol. But amplifying a sample that contains no Covid-19 RNA only amplifies the sample's lack of Covid-19, it doesn't create something that isn't there.
What you're suggesting are that Covid-19 PCRs often produce false positives, which isn't actually known to happen at all, only false negatives.
If someone walks into an ER or clinic with respiratory symptoms and their influenza test is positive but there Covid is negative, then they are diagnosed with influenza. In order to avoid fraud charges and loss of revenue, hospitals and clinics diagnose Covid based on proven criteria, nd if anything hospitals are financially discouraged from falsely diagnosing someone as Covid positive, not encouraged to falsely diagnose Covid.
And yes, lots of people (somewhere between 40% and 60% depending on the study) of people who are positive for Covid-19 are asymptomatic, this is why we can't just use mitigation measures for people with symptoms.
1 hour ago, Jack Peace said:
Well, we can start with Bill gates' father being the head of Planned Parenthood back in the day. They want less people on the Earth. Depopulation. How is someone who wants depopulation funding and profiting off of much of the vaccine industry?
Bill Gates' father was not the head of Planned Parenthood, that urban myth came from a apocalypse / conspiracy theory blog that was too far out there for even conspiracy theorists and no longer exists.
This is crazy...why are you minimizing this pandemic and sowing misinformation?
Minimizing? Misinformation? Oh my, what a malarky. I've taken care as many of 40 sickly, geriatric, COVID-19 positive patients per shift when I worked in long-term care from April 2020 to November 2020 and 98% to 99% recovered. The liberal fake news media will not tell you those statistics, but how many infected, how many died, but no percentages.
They don't tell you that JUST after the November election they changed the tests so that there's now a 50% drop of infections. They keep spreading the fear.
People are being negatively impacted by the vaccine, both with severe side effects and deaths... and within 24 hours of being listed such as on a local ABC web site they get deleted and we are told "nothing to see here," the CDC has not verified any severe side effects or deaths. Yet, I personally know two nurses and a patient greatly impacted (thankfully getting better).
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11 hours ago, Jack Peace said:
Oh thank God, the CDC fact checked all this and we are all safe !! CDC is part of the problem. A big part.
Because they were completely hamstrung by the Trump administration to quash data in order to make it seem less serious. Eventually, they were completely taken over by Alex Azar and all messaging went through him and the rest of the Trump administration. The CDC being part of the problem was the fault of Trump et al, period.
Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood and has a long history and connection with the KKK, called black people, "weeds," and wanted all blacks wiped off the face of the planet. Bill Gates and his wife support Planned Parenthood and are on record for wanting far less population than we currently have right now.
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12 hours ago, pmabraham said:
Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood and has a long history and connection with the KKK, called black people, "weeds," and wanted all blacks wiped off the face of the planet. Bill Gates and his wife support Planned Parenthood and are on record for wanting far less population than we currently have right now.
Well, I am now on record for saying the same thing. The world would be a much better place if we didn't have overpopulation. That doesn't make me a Nazi. Planned Parenthood is an amazing organization that provides an essential healthcare service to the community. And your crap about Sanger is ***.
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Thank you, Grumpy. ?