I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds. This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it.
Asymptomatic spread has been proven since the earliest confirmed cases, where genotype tracing occurred in many of the cases and much of the transmission that occurred was up to 2-3 days prior to the onset of symptoms in some infected individuals, and others never developed symptoms yet were transmitting the virus. Whether asymptomatic spread occurs isn't really a question anymore, the ongoing question is exactly how much spread it accounts for.
Initial data put the prevalence of asymptomatic cases at about 40%, and that about 40% of cases came from asymptomatic, or presymptomatic, spreaders. More recent research puts those numbers at greater than 50%.
Coughing up sputum is not asymptomatic spread!! Come on, CRNA, you're better than that!
How can you be so sure that over half the cases are asymptomatic spread? How, in the real world, would you be able to ascertain that? The truth is probably 90+% of respiratory pathogen spread is unable to be traced back to the individual. Seriously, everyone needs to think about this. How can "experts" continually claim that asymptomatic spread is a real problem?? The answer is that's all they have left until people realize that claim is garbage.
We don't do gene tracing on every single case of Covid-19 transmission, that's true, but we do it on groups of cases of sufficient size and sufficiently randomized to provide well-powered data on both the prevalence of asymptomatic cases and what portion of cases asymptomatic transmission is responsible for. The ability of asymptomatic individuals, including pre-symptomatic individuals, to transmit Covid-19 is well studied in multiple strands of evidence, from gene tracing to direct measurements of respiratory tract viral load in asymptomatic carriers.
And about the lack of influenza deaths for the past year: they are NOT testing for influenza at all in hospitals and clinics. How does flu deaths in U.S. go from average 400-600 per week before March 2020, to suddenly about 10-20 deaths per week every week since March 2020?? Y'all are too smart for your own good.
I find the inability to recognize the significance of decreased influenza cases this year by those trying to minimize the severity of Covid-19 to be both fascinating, and disturbing. Why we might be seeing a significant decrease in the prevalence of a respiratory virus in the midst of mitigation measures to prevent the spread of a respiratory virus seems pretty obvious.
Ideally, the best way to measure the effectiveness of mitigation measures would be through direct observation; how many cases occurred during one outbreak of the virus where there were no mitigation measures compared to one where there were mitigation measures. Since we've been using mitigation measures throughout Covid we don't have a different Covid outbreak to compare it to. But since the measures we're using should work the same on any respiratory virus, we can compare this year's flu season to others.
You're correct that influenza cases are down significantly this year, and not by just a little, they are at about 2% of normal for this time of year. And this isn't due to lack of testing because the same indications for testing are in use, and for those that meet those indications the rate of testing is the same as in previous years.
So we can measure the effects of current mitigation measures on the spread of a respiratory virus through direct observation, which is 1/50th of normal. It would be reasonable to figure in a higher rate of virulence for Covid than for influenza, so this many not directly translate, but if we apply this reduction in influenza to Covid--19 to predict where we would be at without mitigation measures, this suggests that the number of cases of Covid-19 would be 50 times what it is now, this would also translate to total deaths, which would be 25 million US deaths.
And about the lack of influenza deaths for the past year: they are NOT testing for influenza at all in hospitals and clinics. How does flu deaths in U.S. go from average 400-600 per week before March 2020, to suddenly about 10-20 deaths per week every week since March 2020?? Y'all are too smart for your own good.
Not sure where you work or where you get your information but in my massive hospital system, our rapid covid pcr includes testing for influenza.
Flu deaths are down because social distancing and masks have greatly reduced the transmission of the much less contagious flu viruses.
Not sure where you work or where you get your information but in my massive hospital system, our rapid covid pcr includes testing for influenza.
Flu deaths are down because social distancing and masks have greatly reduced the transmission of the much less contagious flu viruses.
Not to mention the main spreader of flu around the world is international travel during flu season. Few people traveling internationally, and those that are, are wearing masks and being screened for illness.
It's insanity to me that people think hospitals aren't testing for influenza, since it has a different treatment protocol than Covid-19.
As nurses, our practice is evidence based. I think it's appalling that anyone in the medical field is pushing this "vaccine" or bullying anyone. It is EXPERIMENTAL. There is hardly any research done on it. The research they do have from years ago is not good. It killed most of the animals that got the MRNA vaccination, when the animal was exposed to the virus. Don't get me started about testing! The PCR test is not to be used for diagnosis and that's the standard. What a joke! I or any of my loved ones will not be getting this and will not be bullied. You have a right to say no.
As nurses, our practice is evidence based. I think it's appalling that anyone in the medical field is pushing this "vaccine" or bullying anyone. It is EXPERIMENTAL. There is hardly any research done on it. The research they do have from years ago is not good. It killed most of the animals that got the MRNA vaccination, when the animal was exposed to the virus. Don't get me started about testing! The PCR test is not to be used for diagnosis and that's the standard. What a joke! I or any of my loved ones will not be getting this and will not be bullied. You have a right to say no.
Absolutely! This isn't a vaccine, it's gene therapy.
The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded under the name Dissatisfied Parents Together (DPT) in 1982, is an American 501(c)(3)[1] organization that has been widely criticized as a leading source of fearmongering and misinformation about vaccines.[2][3][4] While NVIC describes itself as the "oldest and largest consumer led organization advocating for the institution of vaccine safety and informed consent protections",[5] it promotes false and misleading information including the discredited claim that vaccines cause autism,[6][7][8] and its campaigns portray vaccination as risky, encouraging people to consider "alternatives."[9]
These are just the reported deaths from the vaccine.
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Over 76 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 1, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,381 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.
Oh thank God, the CDC fact checked all this and we are all safe !! CDC is part of the problem. A big part.
I also gave you a European source because you conspiracy theorists don't believe anything. But hey, you carry on with your narrow minded thoughts. Keep the tinfoil hat on.
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Asymptomatic spread has been proven since the earliest confirmed cases, where genotype tracing occurred in many of the cases and much of the transmission that occurred was up to 2-3 days prior to the onset of symptoms in some infected individuals, and others never developed symptoms yet were transmitting the virus. Whether asymptomatic spread occurs isn't really a question anymore, the ongoing question is exactly how much spread it accounts for.
Initial data put the prevalence of asymptomatic cases at about 40%, and that about 40% of cases came from asymptomatic, or presymptomatic, spreaders. More recent research puts those numbers at greater than 50%.
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms | Global Health | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network