Why do nurses constantly say they don't hire ASN?

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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OK this is funny because every Magnet hospital I go to someone who doesn't work in HR or is NOT a hiring Manager just has to say they don't hire Associate Degree nurses. I have been asked to be hired at some other Magnet hospitals. Reasons like this, bullying, bad staffing, etc. have made me just complete my assignment and go to the next one. I started liking working where I am now, at a Magnet hospital, probably one of the ones who started the trend. It came up as a discussion because my contract was extended after only two weeks of starting. Then a couple of nurses who were overhearing the conversation said I would never get hired due to my lame degree status. Le sigh... :no: Some of the ASNs themselves. Just for the record. I am a 8 year experienced ASN with great references so it isn't like I am new at this kind of thing.

It just doesn't happen there, I have seen nurses do it on here to others. It is harder to get in I guess, but when you have experience it isn't so hard. At least for me. I am not sure about a New Grads, but hey what do I know. Maybe in the universe there is a New Grad ASN out there who did get hired with persistence at these Magnet hospitals! Especially, if they are enrolled or attending a BSN program.

Listen unless if you are not a hiring person don't say this. Why? I just don't understand it. Does it make you feel better? If someone has an Associate's Degree gets hire in a Magnet hospital, is willing to upgrade their education status, what they heck is it to you?

Just a rant I guess. Hopefully, this will be the last stop so I can continue on with my education. But, I won't ever be like, "They don't hire your kind here." :sarcastic:

Actually the BSN degree, and Magnet have been described as rather dubious as of late, in prominent medical blogs.... and I totally agree, at how laughable nursing has become.

Where have all the cowgirls gone... some are here on AN, and many of these were fired now years ago for knowing too much. When in fact these are the ones our MD colleagues want with their patients ...and their residents in training.

Cowgirls don't write no fluff papers on therapeutic communication. No they don't.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

My biggest problem with the stepwise education pathway is the question of who it is better for: the students, the nurses, the hospital, or the patients. As it looks from the current research, it seems to be great for the students but (in aggregate) not as good for other nurses, the hospital, or the patients.

*** Oh I am sure the hospital don't like it. As I have posted in the past I have reason to believe that hospital administration prefers it's nurses in debt and thus less likely to "vote with their feet" when faced with poor working conditions or unsafe staffing levels (in my limited experience endemic in Magnet hospitals).

That it is better for the nurses seems obvious to me. I would be interested in how it might or might not be good for patients.

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Hmmm....I'm smelling a master's thesis.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

*** Oh I am sure the hospital don't like it. As I have posted in the past I have reason to believe that hospital administration prefers it's nurses in debt and thus less likely to "vote with their feet" when faced with poor working conditions or unsafe staffing levels (in my limited experience endemic in Magnet hospitals).

That it is better for the nurses seems obvious to me. I would be interested in how it might or might not be good for patients.

I am sure it's not a bad thing for the hospitals to hire people in a little bit of extra debt to the company store, a little extra lock on the handcuffs. It's true if they hire BSNs they don't need to do tuition reimbursement, thin I am sure that's written off anyways.

There is a dearth of research into the effect on current nurses to have this stepwise path: would also make a good study. Though it would be qualitative and the haters would immediately disregard it.

Patients, I don't know. The powers that be seemed convinced.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

So you are saying most of the major studies are flawed. In previous discussions with you about these kinds of studies I have referred to study design and limitations, but you have continued to ask me to provide a study to support my position. A study supporting my perspective on limitations of previous research is hardly necessary.

All studies have flaws, they are inherent in design. They are controlled for as best possible. It does not male them invalid.

I have read the studies and have my own critique. I have asked two things: 1. provide your own critique of the major flaws that make the studies invalid, and 2. provide some evidence to support there is no significant differences in outcomes between educational levels. Here's a hint: they are out there if you research it. Before you make sweeping statements about others research take some time and do some for yourself.

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Specializes in Medical Surgical.

I am still a student but stayed at a hospital recently with my son that is magnet status and MANY of the nurses has recently graduated from my school's ASN's program.. I have also spoke with hiring manager's/HR about the push for BSN nurses and at least where I live they will hire u if you sign a contract to obtain a BSN within a certain time-frame that they will pay for :)

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Specializes in Operating room..

My hospital just stopped this year.

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All studies have flaws, they are inherent in design. They are controlled for as best possible. It does not male them invalid.

I have read the studies and have my own critique. I have asked two things: 1. provide your own critique of the major flaws that make the studies invalid, and 2. provide some evidence to support there is no significant differences in outcomes between educational levels. Here's a hint: they are out there if you research it. Before you make sweeping statements about others research take some time and do some for yourself.

In at least one of my previous responses to you I have referred to study design and study limitations. I have also disputed the use of statistics in studies with you, and have disputed the meaning of 'peer-reviewed' with you. You need to provide evidence that there are significant differences in outcomes between educational levels.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I am sure it's not a bad thing for the hospitals to hire people in a little bit of extra debt to the company store, a little extra lock on the handcuffs. It's true if they hire BSNs they don't need to do tuition reimbursement, thin I am sure that's written off anyways.

There is a dearth of research into the effect on current nurses to have this stepwise path: would also make a good study. Though it would be qualitative and the haters would immediately disregard it.

Patients, I don't know. The powers that be seemed convinced.

*** On a slightly different vein.... It occures to me that with many Magnet hospitals being university affiliated teaching facilities, requiring BSNs prepared RNs creates a market for thier own product.

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Specializes in leadership, corrections.

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Where do these nurses get to look down on other nurses? I thought our profession embodied compassion? You mean this only relates to our patients and not our colleagues. I would take an experienced nurse any day. I have worked with nurses who have bachelors and masters degree with no nursing skills. Don't let those nurse rob you of your experience as a great nurse You my friend are much bigger and better than they are else they would not be saying what they said.

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No I don't consider it because I live in the now.

Well, that's not really a great career strategy when the hiring preferences are changing. Or at any time, really.

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Specializes in Medical Oncology, Alzheimer/dementia.

My first job out of nursing school was at a magnet hospital. When fellow nurses asked where I graduated from (technical college) it was ALWAYS followed with, "I thought this hospital didn't hire ADN's." Which was obviously not true, considering I was working there.

It was annoying at times, because I began to feel like I wasn't good enough to be there since I didn't have a BSN and it seemed to concern more people than it did me. But after I was terminated in my orientation because I "wasn't a good fit", it was clear I wasn't what they were looking for...BSN or not.

My job now isn't at a magnet hospital, and maybe 1/3 of the nurses are ADN's. I haven't had trouble finding work. I plan to get my BSN, but for my educational growth and not for obtaining a job.

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