What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 9, 2022

31 minutes ago, heron said:

Ahhh … I see … you’re allowed to trot out your BON mots and take pot shots at liberals, but when challenged to ‘splain, please, it’s suddenly irrelevant and we’re all supposed to move on. If you don’t want to discuss something, perhaps you shouldn’t bring it up.

Don’t need to rehash any debates - I was here the first time around. I was a working nurse from the beginning of the for-profit take-over of healthcare. This is why I’m pretty sure you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Yes! It was during this transition hospital and physician payments that I realized that the truisms of economics was BS and that it isn't' a science at all. Many sequelae of modern for-profit medicine broke all those "laws" we held to be true - especially the rule that competition brings prices down. That doesn't happen when the product you are selling is your health or even, your life. And it was during this period of Reagan that EMTLA was signed into law REQUIRING emergency room to treat undocumented workers and others that could not pay. Hospital ER's would just put them back in the ambulance and send them to another hospital. Another ancient memory of that time (before the internet so it's difficult to research anything quickly), Reagan's advisors convinced him that hopelessly sick infants were being killed by hospitals and not receiving the "treatment" they "required" which stuck an ice dagger in my heart. As the DON of a small toy hospital, we were mandated to provide medical care to an anacephalic baby (of one of the staff nurses) and I was young, stupid and fearful that someone would report me to the government for allowing that baby just to die in the mother's arms. That is still the standard of care today - just let the family have the baby until it dies. So for such a "free market" thinker as Reagan, things just didn't work out to be a simple as their simple minds thought. Today the Republicans would rip him apart for signing EMTLA...like a pack of hyenas.

heron, ASN, RN · Aug 9, 2022

27 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Smh...Here ya go Subee and Heron. I think you forgot how this discussion started.

I simply replied to this and pointed out that it's not conservatives who stood or are standing in the way of free-market healthcare. You both are saying we've had a free-market healthcare system and that is the reason our healthcare system is broken. So, it would seem you agree with me on that point.

It then would seem your bigger disagreement would be with the post above, to which you both ignored until you were triggered by my reply.

Have a nice day!

Where did I say that we have a free market system in healthcare? In fact, I believe that a free market in healthcare is impossible and that all the capitalist rhetoric is just a cover for siphoning off as much money as possible while delivering the minimum of service to the people in the beds.

Personally, I don’t think there’s any such thing as a truly free market except as a transient stage on the road to oligarchy.

ETA - don’t look now, but using a pejoratively loaded term like “triggered” hasn’t changed the substance of my posts. It seems to me that you’re the one being triggered whenever you’re called upon to explain your reasoning and actually make your case.

ETA #2: actually, I did not ignore the post you quoted … did you even read the thread?

toomuchbaloney · Aug 9, 2022

39 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Smh...Here ya go Subee and Heron. I think you forgot how this discussion started.

I simply replied to this and pointed out that it's not conservatives who stood or are standing in the way of free-market healthcare. You both are saying we've had a free-market healthcare system and that is the reason our healthcare system is broken. So, it would seem you agree with me on that point.

It then would seem your bigger disagreement would be with the post above, to which you both ignored until you were triggered by my reply.

Have a nice day!

Seriously?

nursej22, MSN, RN · Aug 9, 2022

Regarding ending the government coverage for dialysis, I was merely musing about a rather expensive program that keeps people alive that conservatives may decide is unfair. Isn't that, after all, how insulin is being characterized? Sure, it keeps people alive, but why should all of us have to foot the bill?

We should pool our resources to assure healthcare, because it keeps us stronger as a nation, and its the right thing to do. The Presidential Fitness Award was started to make sure we were all strong little soldiers, but now its more important to enrich corporations.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 9, 2022

1 minute ago, nursej22 said:

Regarding ending the government coverage for dialysis, I was merely musing about a rather expensive program that keeps people alive that conservatives may decide is unfair. Isn't that, after all, how insulin is being characterized? Sure, it keeps people alive, but why should all of us have to foot the bill?

We should pool our resources to assure healthcare, because it keeps us stronger as a nation, and its the right thing to do. The Presidential Fitness Award was started to make sure we were all strong little soldiers, but now its more important to enrich corporations.

Indeed.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 10, 2022

https://apnews.com/article/elections-pennsylvania-donald-trump-congress-cfa625f007ef38c18727a1755dec4a4f

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U.S. Rep. Scott Perry said his cellphone was seized Tuesday morning by FBI agents carrying a search warrant.

The circumstances surrounding the seizure were not immediately known. Perry, though, has been a figure in the congressional investigation into President Donald Trump’s actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.

Former senior Justice Department officials have testified that Perry, a Pennsylvania Republican, had “an important role” in Trump’s effort to try to install Jeffrey Clark — a top Justice official who was pushing Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud — as the acting attorney general.

In a statement Tuesday, Perry said three agents visited him while he was traveling Tuesday with his family and “seized my cell phone.” He called the action “banana republic tactics.”

“They made no attempt to contact my lawyer, who would have made arrangements for them to have my phone if that was their wish,” Perry said. “I’m outraged – though not surprised - that the FBI under the direction of Merrick Garland’s DOJ, would seize the phone of a sitting Member of Congress.”

Maybe representative Perry will discover that patriots are both surprised and outraged that a member of congress would engage in a scheme to undermine elections.

Beerman, BSN · Aug 10, 2022

"And now, with this jaw-dropping raid, the law-enforcement arm of the Dems, formerly known as the Department of Justice, goes for the jugular. But as it stands now, the raid only makes the swamp look as deep and dirty as ever and bolsters the one man who promised to drain it — Trump.

His fortunes have ebbed lately but unless the raiders produce a bombshell, they’ve given more millions of Americans reason to trust him over anybody else in Washington."

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/if-dems-doj-doesnt-have-enough-to-convict-trump-will-be-back-in-oval-office/

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 10, 2022

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://apnews.com/article/elections-pennsylvania-donald-trump-congress-cfa625f007ef38c18727a1755dec4a4f

Maybe representative Perry will discover that patriots are both surprised and outraged that a member of congress would engage in a scheme to undermine elections.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 10, 2022

56 minutes ago, Beerman said:

"And now, with this jaw-dropping raid, the law-enforcement arm of the Dems, formerly known as the Department of Justice, goes for the jugular. But as it stands now, the raid only makes the swamp look as deep and dirty as ever and bolsters the one man who promised to drain it — Trump.

His fortunes have ebbed lately but unless the raiders produce a bombshell, they’ve given more millions of Americans reason to trust him over anybody else in Washington."

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/if-dems-doj-doesnt-have-enough-to-convict-trump-will-be-back-in-oval-office/

It's unlikely that Trump's most loyal voters will believe any evidence presented against him. They, after all, don't require evidence to believe that the last election results were fraudulent or that Trump was just an innocent victim of the Mueller investigation. It's a matter of faith for the Trump supporters.

heron, ASN, RN · Aug 10, 2022

A hit dog howls.

Threats in one hand, a whole deck of victim cards in the other. Roy Cohn would be proud.

Trump’s big mistake, which may yet prove fatal, is to assume that everyone is as incompetent as he is.

heron, ASN, RN · Aug 10, 2022

So … I believe that a copy of the warrant was given to Trump’s people. If it’s so egregious, why hasn’t he released it? Why hasn’t he released the inventory of what was seized?

What’s he hiding?

emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B · Aug 10, 2022

6 minutes ago, heron said:

So … I believe that a copy of the warrant was given to Trump’s people. If it’s so egregious, why hasn’t he released it? Why hasn’t he released the inventory of what was seized?

What’s he hiding?

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