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25 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Trump is the one breaking this news first?

LOL...that should tell you something.

Trump-haters are about to be disappointed yet again.

What should that tell us? 

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24 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What should that tell us? 

Hannity was babbling about equal protection of the law, Hunter Biden’s laptop and, of course, Hillary’s emails. I imagine it’s something along those lines.

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9 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Do you think at some point conservative lawmakers will determine that the government needs to stop supporting this industry and let the free market determine the cost and who will pay? Or maybe decide there is an age cut-off? 

When Obamacare was being debated, there were many conservative ideas out there that were much closer to a free-market system than anything liberals have ever wanted, such as single payer. 

Speaking of Obamacare, wasn't that supposed to solve the problems we're discussing now?

"There’s no question, says Conti, that the law provided essential prescription drug coverage to millions. And the pace of drug development puts the U.S. in what she refers to as “a golden age of medicine.” The only problem? “Many drugs now come with much higher price tags than we saw ten years ago,” she says. For example, insulin costs have more than tripled, while a new gene therapy for spinal muscular atrophy costs a cool $2.1 million— the most expensive drug in the world."

https://www.bu.edu/questrom/2020/02/27/the-acas-effect-on-the-prescription-drug-market-and-what-might-come-next/

 

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8 hours ago, Beerman said:

When Obamacare was being debated, there were many conservative ideas out there that were much closer to a free-market system than anything liberals have ever wanted, such as single payer. 

Speaking of Obamacare, wasn't that supposed to solve the problems we're discussing now?

"There’s no question, says Conti, that the law provided essential prescription drug coverage to millions. And the pace of drug development puts the U.S. in what she refers to as “a golden age of medicine.” The only problem? “Many drugs now come with much higher price tags than we saw ten years ago,” she says. For example, insulin costs have more than tripled, while a new gene therapy for spinal muscular atrophy costs a cool $2.1 million— the most expensive drug in the world."

https://www.bu.edu/questrom/2020/02/27/the-acas-effect-on-the-prescription-drug-market-and-what-might-come-next/

 

Umm … the ACA is based on conservative ideas, including the mandatory insurance requirement. And, if I remember correctly, it never included single payer - it did include a public insurance option, a totally different thing which wound up falling by the wayside.

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46 minutes ago, heron said:

Umm … the ACA is based on conservative ideas, including the mandatory insurance requirement. And, if I remember correctly, it never included single payer - it did include a public insurance option, a totally different thing which wound up falling by the wayside.

Yes, there are some elements of the ACA based on conservative proposals made in the past.

Still, as I said, there were other ideas put out there by conservatives that were free-market based.  

I didn't say single-payer was ever included in the be ACA.  I said there were many liberals who supported single-payer.  

 

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6 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, there are some elements of the ACA based on conservative proposals made in the past.

Still, as I said, there were other ideas put out there by conservatives that were free-market based.  

I didn't say single-payer was ever included in the be ACA.  I said there were many liberals who supported single-payer.  

 

So, what’s your beef? No one claimed that the ACA is a perfect fix, even in its original form. 

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51 minutes ago, heron said:

So, what’s your beef? No one claimed that the ACA is a perfect fix, even in its original form. 

Whether I have a "beef" with the ACA wasn't part of the discussion.

My reply to another member was that conservatives had free-market ideas for healthcare, and that drug prices have increased since Obamacare was implemented.

 

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30 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Whether I have a "beef" with the ACA wasn't part of the discussion.

My reply to another member was that conservatives had free-market ideas for healthcare, and that drug prices have increased since Obamacare was implemented.

 

Well, you’re the one that pointed out that the ACA was supposed to solve the problems under discussion.

Don’t let it come as a shock to you, but healthcare prices have been going up ever since for-profit insurance, hospitals and clinics were legalized back in the 70’s. Back then, the argument was that free market competition for profits would solve inefficiencies and keep prices low.

How would you say this “free market” approach has done over the last half-century with respect to controlling prices and improving service?

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44 minutes ago, heron said:

Well, you’re the one that pointed out that the ACA was supposed to solve the problems under discussion.

Don’t let it come as a shock to you, but healthcare prices have been going up ever since for-profit insurance, hospitals and clinics were legalized back in the 70’s. Back then, the argument was that free market competition for profits would solve inefficiencies and keep prices low.

How would you say this “free market” approach has done over the last half-century with respect to controlling prices and improving service?

We haven't had a free-market approach.  When a third party is making decisions and is paying for services, and that 3rd party is required to pay for certain things, that isn't a free-market system.  

I'm not interested in rehashing a debate that we've already had here, years ago, and is mostly irrelevant now.  The train is too far down the tracks.

You can go back to the blue side and read pages and pages if you like.  

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

We haven't had a free-market approach.  When a third party is making decisions and is paying for services, and that 3rd party is required to pay for certain things, that isn't a free-market system.  

I'm not interested in rehashing a debate that we've already had here, years ago, and is mostly irrelevant now.  The train is too far down the tracks.

You can go back to the blue side and read pages and pages if you like.  

Ahhh … I see … you’re allowed to trot out your BON mots and take pot shots at liberals, but when challenged to ‘splain, please, it’s suddenly irrelevant and we’re all supposed to move on. If you don’t want to discuss something, perhaps you shouldn’t bring it up.

Don’t need to rehash any debates - I was here  the first time around. I was a working nurse from the beginning of the for-profit take-over of healthcare. This is why I’m pretty sure you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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12 minutes ago, Beerman said:

We haven't had a free-market approach.  When a third party is making decisions and is paying for services, and that 3rd party is required to pay for certain things, that isn't a free-market system.  

I'm not interested in rehashing a debate that we've already had here, years ago, and is mostly irrelevant now.  The train is too far down the tracks.

You can go back to the blue side and read pages and pages if you like.  

Insurance companies are paid to provide their services.   How could they pay for their employees and the inflated CEO salaries unless they weren't making money?  Sounds free market to me.

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22 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Do you think at some point conservative lawmakers will determine that the government needs to stop supporting this industry and let the free market determine the cost and who will pay? Or maybe decide there is an age cut-off? 

Smh...Here ya go Subee and Heron.  I think you forgot how this discussion started. 

I simply replied to this and pointed out that it's not conservatives who stood or are standing in the way of free-market healthcare.  You both are saying we've had a free-market healthcare system and that is the reason our healthcare system is broken.  So, it would seem you agree with me on that point.

It then would seem your bigger disagreement would be with the post above, to which you both ignored until you were triggered by my reply.

Have a nice day!

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