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45 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Feds were requiring photo ID at FEMA sites to insure citizens of that state and age range approved for vaccination only were getting  COVID shot since vaccines allotted in different amounts to each state. It also prevented international travel to the US just to get vaccination, taking away vaccine availability for US citizens. 

Totally different than voting which DOES require one to be a registered voter in order to cast a ballot.  ID requirements vary by state.  In the early 1900's, there was no state birth certificate; names and date of birth often just recorded in family bible  or on babptisimal certificate, especially for home births by lay midwife common at that time.  My paternal  grandmother was born in 1896,  just a bible notation which took as a year to get recognized for a bith certificate in the 1960's.

Journal of Perinatology 2012

History of the birth certificate: from inception to the future of electronic data

National Review

IDs for a Vaccine Shot, but Not for Voting?

 

 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Can you please show me the federal mandate that FEMA or other mobile clinics require photo id to receive vaccine.  I suspect that you are confusing corporate or local rules with federal mandates.  I suspect this because the federal government is typically cautious not to place unnecessary barriers to recommended vaccinations in their processes.  It should be an easy thing for you to confirm and share that federal mandate...or to realize your error and correct your thinking. 

Your suspicions, like many other things, are incorrect.

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1 hour ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Feds were requiring photo ID at FEMA sites to insure citizens of that state and age range approved for vaccination only were getting  COVID shot since vaccines allotted in different amounts to each state. It also prevented international travel to the US just to get vaccination, taking away vaccine availability for US citizens. 

Totally different than voting which DOES require one to be a registered voter in order to cast a ballot.  ID requirements vary by state.  In the early 1900's, there was no state birth certificate; names and date of birth often just recorded in family bible  or on babptisimal certificate, especially for home births by lay midwife common at that time.  My paternal  grandmother was born in 1896,  just a bible notation which took as a year to get recognized for a bith certificate in the 1960's.

Journal of Perinatology 2012

History of the birth certificate: from inception to the future of electronic data

National Review

IDs for a Vaccine Shot, but Not for Voting?

 

That article doesn't actually state that the federal government requires the id, but that the state did so that they could say that they didn't vaccinate those who weren't eligible.  Did I overlook something?

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

 

Your suspicions, like many other things, are incorrect.

Yet, you've offered no facts or evidence to support your claim of afederal mandate and that is suspicious. 

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I work for a local health jurisdiction and we do not require ID for testing or vaccination. We ask for insurance information if available, but insurance is not required. We are striving to vaccinate farm and other seasonal workers, many of whom may be undocumented. They still reside in our county and are at high risk for serious disease. Many cannot afford to take time off from work if they test positive. 

As for the difficulty in obtaining ID, not everyone can take 2 hours or more off in the middle of the work week to get ID. That is the typical wait time at our DMV. In some areas, people without reliable means of transportation must travel significant distances to get ID. Getting an ID can been a day long ordeal. 

When I registered to vote in this area (about 30 years ago) I had to show ID and and a utility bill to demonstrate residency. Ever since, my signature whether in the poll book or on my mail-in ballot was adequate to attest that  I am who I say I am. 

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7 hours ago, nursej22 said:

 As for the difficulty in obtaining ID, not everyone can take 2 hours or more off in the middle of the work week to get ID. That is the typical wait time at our DMV. In some areas, people without reliable means of transportation must travel significant distances to get ID. Getting an ID can been a day long ordeal. 

When I registered to vote in this area (about 30 years ago) I had to show ID and and a utility bill to demonstrate residency. Ever since, my signature whether in the poll book or on my mail-in ballot was adequate to attest that  I am who I say I am. 

Are there jobs that do not require ID? Don't they at least need a Social Security number to get on the payroll?

I don't agree with working under the table. Some do that to avoid paying taxes, but are there situations where there is no other choice?

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2 hours ago, Kitiger said:

Are there jobs that do not require ID? Don't they at least need a Social Security number to get on the payroll?

I don't agree with working under the table. Some do that to avoid paying taxes, but are there situations where there is no other choice?

Providing identification for a job (or to get vaccinated) may be very different from providing ID to vote...as many college students have discovered in some conservative states. 

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Take the time to get an ID. They're trying to make life harder for people without ID and it's killing democracy. ALWAYS have ID.

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16 hours ago, nursej22 said:

As for the difficulty in obtaining ID, not everyone can take 2 hours or more off in the middle of the work week to get ID. That is the typical wait time at our DMV. In some areas, people without reliable means of transportation must travel significant distances to get ID. Getting an ID can been a day long ordeal. 

BS.....it's not 2 hours out of one's week, everyweek.  It's once.  And, they have a job.  Every job I've ever had required me to give ID during the hiring process.

As I said, I've been doing vaccines since March.  Both the FEMA and state sponsored vaccination clinics require one.  And, you know what?  Everyone has one.

 

 

5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Providing identification for a job (or to get vaccinated) may be very different from providing ID to vote...as many college students have discovered in some conservative states. 

College students don't have a govt issued ID?  BS again.

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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Providing identification for a job (or to get vaccinated) may be very different from providing ID to vote...as many college students have discovered in some conservative states. 

Aside from proving residency in the state in which they are attending school, what problems/issues are these students having?

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8 hours ago, Kitiger said:

Are there jobs that do not require ID? ...

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No.  I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification

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Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.

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I've no doubt that any documents used to establish identity would be acceptable for voter registration.

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33 minutes ago, Beerman said:

BS.....it's not 2 hours out of one's week, everyweek.  It's once.  And, they have a job.  Every job I've ever had required me to give ID during the hiring process.

As I said, I've been doing vaccines since March.  Both the FEMA and state sponsored vaccination clinics require one.  And, you know what?  Everyone has one.

 

 

College students don't have a govt issued ID?  BS again.

Did I say that college students don't have federal ID? Is federal ID the issue in question here? 

Can you please provide the language or a citation from the federal government outlining the requirement that residents seeking covid vaccination must provide photo id or federal id? I have looked and cannot find a source. 

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31 minutes ago, chare said:

Aside from proving residency in the state in which they are attending school, what problems/issues are these students having?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/30/college-students-face-issues-while-registering-vote/89416076/

Voting should be easy and portable in this country but some powerful people, increasingly, seem opposed to our democratic processes.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/30/college-students-face-issues-while-registering-vote/89416076/

Voting should be easy and portable in this country but some powerful people, increasingly, seem opposed to our democratic processes.

Again, most of this relates to either establishing or documenting residency.  And, some of the information contained in the article is not current.  For example: 

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Gunther Peck, an associate professor of public policy studies at Duke University, said North Carolina lawmakers changed the law to exclude student IDs after the youth vote helped propel President Barack Obama into office in 2008.

“The Republicans knew exactly how to suppress votes. That was their intention,” Peck said. “They looked carefully at how they lost in 2008 and found the weak links in that coalition. The law has made it much harder for students to get the proper ID, and there’s several steps they have to go through now to secure what is a constitutional right: the right to vote.”

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From the North Caroline State Board of Elections Registering as a College Student page.  

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A college student may register and vote in the county where they go to college if the student is physically present in the college community and has no intent to return to the student’s former home after graduation. The student does not have to intend to stay in the college community after graduation in order to register to vote there. If a student registers at his or her school address, that registration cancels any previous registration.

The college student could also choose to register or remain registered at the address where they lived before college.

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I don't agree with the requirement that the student have not intent to return to their former home after graduation.  However, I'm not sure if, or how, this would be enforced.  As for identification requirements to register in the college location:

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Registering at a one-stop site during the early voting period requires voters to provide proof of residence. Proof of residence for college students includes a current college/university photo identification card paired with either:

  1. Any document originating with the educational institution and containing the student’s name and on-campus housing address or facility name; or
  2. a current roster prepared by the college/university and transmitted to the county board of elections office, which lists all students residing in campus housing facilities.

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Of course, a source more current than 2016 might have had current information.

Having said this, I agree that establishing and documenting required residency to vote shouldn't be difficult.

ETA: I'm not sure what you mean by "portable," but if one is currently registered in a state, and attends school at another location in that state this should be an easy process.  Relocating to another state for school might be slightly more of a process, but still shouldn't be insurmountable.

As for voting absentee, that shouldn't be a problem either.  I'm not aware of the current requirements in other states, but in NC any voter can request an absentee ballot for any election, for any reason, or no reason at all.

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