What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

[guest1163268]

Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Beerman, BSN]

36 minutes ago, heron said:

I read both excerpts, actually. I didn’t say that the NEA didn’t consider CRT, I said that their definition of CRT is likely quite different from what right-wing talking heads refer to as CRT.

Your note regarding “elements” of CRT being taught in public schools tends to support my personal opinion that CRT is the straw man being used to stifle any discussion of the more reprehensible aspects of Europeans’ behavior vis-a-vis non-European people and their land.

White panic … and it’s going to get worse as the various majority-minorities slowly become more the rule than the exception.

This same reasoning, and the racist "white panic" term have also been thrown out there by talking heads and opinion writers from the left.

It seems you're quarrel has has to do with the definition. Not with actually is being taught.

As a white person, my concern isn't the discussion over the reprehensible behavior of the Europeans.  It's that children are being taught that they should feel and think a certain way based on their skin color. The children's book mentioned above, for example.  

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

I wish I could think of the term, but there was a term I heard on a podcast about "helicopter parents on steroids".   The point of the speaker was that these parents raise kids so ill prepared for the real world they have high rates of anxiety and depression compared to prior generations, but I no substantiation on this if it's true or not.

These type of parents don't want kids exposed to mental health issues.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991

 

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/emotional-problems/Pages/Anxiety-Disorders.aspx

I can't find the article right now but I recently read that CRT isn't meant to make children feel guilty about being white but to empower them and everyone to learn that they we are all equal and we should feel good about that.    

 

[Beerman, BSN]

29 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 

I can't find the article right now but I recently read that CRT isn't meant to make children feel guilty about being white but to empower them and everyone to learn that they we are all equal and we should feel good about that.    

 

Doesn't seem like it's trying to make us all feel good.  What exact do you think a kindergartner is going to get from this?

[Beerman, BSN]

31 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I wish I could think of the term, but there was a term I heard on a podcast about "helicopter parents on steroids".   The point of the speaker was that these parents raise kids so ill prepared for the real world they have high rates of anxiety and depression compared to prior generations, but I no substantiation on this if it's true or not.

These type of parents don't want kids exposed to mental health issues.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991

 

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/emotional-problems/Pages/Anxiety-Disorders.aspx

While it is important that children have counselors and teachers that recognize depression and anxiety and how to get needed resources to those that need them, it's not too hard to imagine many go outside of their scope on these subjects.

These parents may be going too far the other way, but I agree the that parenting, mental health, and other issues should be left to the parents.

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I wish I could think of the term, but there was a term I heard on a podcast about "helicopter parents on steroids".   The point of the speaker was that these parents raise kids so ill prepared for the real world they have high rates of anxiety and depression compared to prior generations, but I no substantiation on this if it's true or not.

These type of parents don't want kids exposed to mental health issues.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991

 

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/emotional-problems/Pages/Anxiety-Disorders.aspx

I can't find the article right now but I recently read that CRT isn't meant to make children feel guilty about being white but to empower them and everyone to learn that they we are all equal and we should feel good about that.    

 

And to prepare them to continue to move our culture and social discourse forward.  Those children deserve an education that is age appropriate and accurate. I think it's difficult to learn about some of our history and not feel bad.  I would submit that if children are feeling guilty when learning about American history, the parents have some role in helping them to accommodate historical fact without internalizing or personalizing them.  

I like that focus; that we should feel good about our equality.  Or at least the equality that we have now while imagining a perfected union or equality in the future. 

[heron, ASN, RN]

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

This same reasoning, and the racist "white panic" term have also been thrown out there by talking heads and opinion writers from the left.

It seems you're quarrel has has to do with the definition. Not with actually is being taught.

As a white person, my concern isn't the discussion over the reprehensible behavior of the Europeans.  It's that children are being taught that they should feel and think a certain way based on their skin color. The children's book mentioned above, for example.  

 

What, exactly, is being taught and how is it a product of critical race theory? You guys keep going on about this and not once have any of you named a specific concept or curriculum or actually demonstrated the supposed damage done to public school students.

I watched your video … your reaction is a prime example of white panic hiding behind faux concern for children.

Meanwhile, I have a few question: is this a textbook? If so, where and what grade? Why would you expect this to be taught to kindergarteners, specifically? Seems to me that it’s a little abstract for five-year-olds.

Why is telling the truth about Europeans’ behavior past and present so problematic? Or are you contending that the book is promulgating lies? What lies,specifically?

Why is telling kids the truth about racism and showing them that they have the power to understand and do better automatically traumatizing? A little projection there, maybe?

ETA: for that matter, what about the effects of validating the lived experiences of non-European kids and their families? Is their mental health less important than making white kids comfortable with the status quo?

[Balbaroy]

It is my understanding that both sides are correct yet there are obvious concerns to be considered.  I think everyone would be on board for better understanding and learning more about past historical transgressions when brought in the right context.  But let me share with everyone a story that today came out on Yahoo News about a Virginia school district that started training teachers in "Culturally Sensitivity."

Some teachers objected to a chart in their training that listed different groups as either “experiences privilege” or “experiences oppression.” Christians were privileged, for instance, while non-Christians were oppressed.

Monica Gill, an American history teacher at Loudoun County High School, also objected to an animated video called “The Unequal Opportunity Race,” in which white people get a head start, while people of color must wait and then face obstacle after obstacle.

The video, she said, was an overgeneralization that itself embraced a racial stereotype.

I think it is very clear that both sides have a LONG way to go before deciding what is the best way to move forward with educating kids on this delicate subject...

[Balbaroy]

It is my understanding that both sides are correct yet there are obvious concerns to be considered.  I think everyone would be on board for better understanding and learning more about past historical transgressions when brought in the right context.  But let me share with everyone a story that today came out on Yahoo News about a Virginia school district that started training teachers in "Culturally Sensitivity."

Some teachers objected to a chart in their training that listed different groups as either “experiences privilege” or “experiences oppression.” Christians were privileged, for instance, while non-Christians were oppressed.

Monica Gill, an American history teacher at Loudoun County High School, also objected to an animated video called “The Unequal Opportunity Race,” in which white people get a head start, while people of color must wait and then face obstacle after obstacle.

The video, she said, was an overgeneralization that itself embraced a racial stereotype.

“I didn’t grow up in white privilege,” Gill said. “I worked hard to get through college, and it wasn’t handed to me by any stretch. It seemed to me that this whole thing they were pushing was very shallow.”

I think it is very clear that both sides have a LONG way to go before deciding what is the best way to move forward with educating kids on this delicate subject...

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

Doesn't seem like it's trying to make us all feel good.  What exact do you think a kindergartner is going to get from this?

It seems a bit brutal for a kindergartener but I appreciate the message that school age children shouldn't be sheltered from the truth of their racist past in order to move beyond it and accept the idea of equality. 

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

....mental health, and other issues should be left to the parents.

I disagree.   Mental health counseling should be in the hands of professionals and children should feel free to talk to someone outside the home, especially when the home might be the cause of mental illness.   Not all parents are fully functioning rationale and equipped to handle mental illness, especially if they are abusive, drug addicts or alcoholics.

My environment at home and at school fostered depression and anxiety in me and I was all alone.  Had I grown up knowing there was a safe place my young adulthood might have turned out much more happier and productive with better relationships.  

Teenage suicide, especially among homosexuals is a real thing.  Often for such kids parental rejection is the root cause.  How are they supposed to handle their kids depression when they contributed?

I guess it's a good thing I never had kids because they would be raised entirely different and ready for the real ugly world.  They wouldn't get a participation trophy, they would be allowed to lose and feel their struggles and I would be there for them.  At a certain age (probably 16)  they could read whatever they wanted to.  They would know about gay people, transgendered and differently genders persons.  They would know about the racist past of their ancestors, and celebrate equality and love America.   Oh well, moot point.  My kids probably would have been real screwed up like their dad.  LOL

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I disagree.   Mental health counseling should be in the hands of professionals and children should feel free to talk to someone outside the home, especially when the home might be the cause of mental illness.   Not all parents are fully functioning rationale and equipped to handle mental illness, especially if they are abusive, drug addicts or alcoholics.

My environment at home and at school fostered depression and anxiety in me and I was all alone.  Had I grown up knowing there was a safe place my young adulthood might have turned out much more happier and productive with better relationships.  

Teenage suicide, especially among homosexuals is a real thing.  Often for such kids parental rejection is the root cause.  How are they supposed to handle their kids depression when they contributed?

I guess it's a good thing I never had kids because they would be raised entirely different and ready for the real ugly world.  They wouldn't get a participation trophy, they would be allowed to lose and feel their struggles and I would be there for them.  At a certain age (probably 16)  they could read whatever they wanted to.  They would know about gay people, transgendered and differently genders persons.  They would know about the racist past of their ancestors, and celebrate equality and love America.   Oh well, moot point.  My kids probably would have been real screwed up like their dad.  LOL

You are so right.  Mental health problems tend to be generational and complex.  Leaving it up to the parents assumes that parents are even aware that there us a problem.  When kids grow up in a crazy environment,  they often assume that is normal behavior.  The parents assume there isn't a problem because they also grew up in a dysfunctional house.  Only someone who has NO IDEA of what the are opining about would suggest that we should expect the blind to lead the blind.  They simply can't until they are given some tools.  Teachers pick up a lot of serious problems in homes that others have missed; problems caused by the parents, so how are they supposed to help their kids?

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