What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

MunoRN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

4 minutes ago, Cclm said:

It more than that and you know it. I refuse to believe you really think that.

It's a theory that has no place being taught to children .

While there are a variety of conclusions people might come to from studying how race-based inequities have affected, or not affected, our laws, economy, social structures, etc, it's not actually more than that.

It ranges from the idea that racial inequities have and continue to exist, to the argument that most of what we call 'racism' today is more accurately described as socio-economic disparities and aren't actually primarily race-based.

What specifically are you referring to?

Beausoleil · Nov 15, 2021

4 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Critical Race Theory is simply the premise that race-based inequities have played a role in our history.

That’s not what it is—not by a long shot.

MunoRN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

4 minutes ago, Beausoleil said:

That’s not what it is—not by a long shot.

That's not what it is but you can't say what it is?

heron, ASN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

9 minutes ago, Beausoleil said:

That’s not what it is—not by a long shot.

4 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

That's not what it is but you can't say what it is?

Indeed! Considering that CRT has been kicking around academia for decades, it shouldn’t be hard to find what historians call primary sources of information on exactly what the theory is. No, I’m NOT talking about what right wingnuts claim it to be. What does it actually say?

In my view, the whole kerfuffle is about dodging any accountability for the darker aspects of US history by shutting down any discussion of it by labelling that discussion “CRT”. C’mon … what are y’all afraid of?

Cancel culture, anyone?

MunoRN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

6 minutes ago, heron said:

Indeed! Considering that CRT has been kicking around academia for decades, it shouldn’t be hard to find what historians call primary sources of information on exactly what the theory is. No, I’m NOT talking about what right wingnuts claim it to be. What does it actually say?

In my view, the whole kerfuffle is about dodging any accountability for the darker aspects of US history by shutting down any discussion of it by labelling that discussion “CRT”. C’mon … what are y’all afraid of?

Cancel culture, anyone?

I took a college course that included CRT, my wife took CRT specific courses as part of her teaching program. CRT itself does not dictate what conclusions someone should draw from studying the history of racial inequity and quite often the conclusions someone comes to as a result of CRT is that there are a number of issues that are falsely described as racism.

The "CRT is bad" premise seems to come out of the same belief systems that led to textbooks that promote slavery as having been beneficial to black people. I had a patient not long ago, watched Alex Jones and Newsmax constantly on his tablet, and on a piece on CRT pointed out to me that the slaves had no reason to complain, thanks to us they "don't have to live in huts" anymore, so we shouldn't be teaching that slavery was problematic, which he attributed to CRT.

heron, ASN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

Thanks, Muno. Now I’m wishing that there was some specific naming of names of public school systems that are supposedly teaching this theory in K-12. You would think that, given that the controversy has become a major talking point in both school board meetings and at least one election, the info would be all over right-leaning media.

From where I sit, this is what white panic looks like.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

9 hours ago, Cclm said:

IIf they can express their religious belief, what's the issue? They say read the Bible instead of these inappropriate books?

I've said what my issue is more than once and yet you keep asking so we should move on.

Beerman, BSN · Nov 15, 2021

3 hours ago, heron said:

Thanks, Muno. Now I’m wishing that there was some specific naming of names of public school systems that are supposedly teaching this theory in K-12. You would think that, given that the controversy has become a major talking point in both school board meetings and at least one election, the info would be all over right-leaning media.

From where I sit, this is what white panic looks like.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be taught, but I've read enough and have seen enough in this world that it's easy to believe that it is in some form.

I'm not sure why some are so sure that it's not.

"National Education Association President Becky Pringle has avoided using the term critical race theory in interviews, instead calling for educators to teach the truth about the most painful parts of American history. But at the NEA’s representative assembly, held virtually last week, union delegates passed several measures that explicitly support the use of critical race theory in curriculum and allocated tens of thousands of dollars to those efforts."

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/teachers-unions-vow-to-defend-members-in-critical-race-theory-fight/2021/07

"That said, the National Education Association (NEA) appears to have accepted the conservative framing of CRT: namely, that it's not merely confined to academia but is in fact also being taught in K-12 schools. And the NEA thinks this is a good thing that should be defended.

At its yearly annual meeting, conducted virtually over the past few days, the NEA adopted New Business Item 39, which essentially calls for the organization to defend the teaching of critical race theory.*

"It is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory," says the item.

Consistent with its defense of CRT, the NEA will also provide a study "that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society." The implication is that these critiques are aspects of critical race theory, which in a weird way makes this an example of the activist left basically accepting the activist right's new working definition of CRT as "all of the various cultural insanities."

https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/

toomuchbaloney · Nov 15, 2021

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

will also provide a study "that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society."

Scary stuff...

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heron, ASN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

I tend to doubt that the CRT described by Reason.com is the same CRT discussed by the NEA.

So far, those posters who have actually explored CRT do not seem to be “accepting the activist right’s working definition of CRT” (which I have not yet seen actually articulated in these fora, BTW). I have no reason to believe that the NEA does either. Frankly, that right wing boogyman is pure straw.

So, meanwhile, name a specific school system actually using using CRT in their curriculum.

Beerman, BSN · Nov 15, 2021

53 minutes ago, heron said:

I tend to doubt that the CRT described by Reason.com is the same CRT discussed by the NEA.

Why is that? Just because?

1 hour ago, heron said:

So far, those posters who have actually explored CRT do not seem to be “accepting the activist right’s working definition of CRT” (which I have not yet seen actually articulated in these fora, BTW). I have no reason to believe that the NEA does either. Frankly, that right wing boogyman is pure straw.

So, meanwhile, name a specific school system actually using using CRT in their curriculum.

Its unlikely that any school system is using the term "Critical Race Theory". But there is plenty of evidence that elements of it are being taught. One example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/anastasia-higginbotham-not-my-idea-children-police-killings/619087/

You mentioned my link to Reason, but seemed to ignore the EdWeek article. I would imagine they're a credible source on what the NEA is doing. Again, a quote from that:.

"But at the NEA’s representative assembly, held virtually last week, union delegates passed several measures that explicitly support the use of critical race theory in curriculum and allocated tens of thousands of dollars to those efforts."

heron, ASN, RN · Nov 15, 2021

2 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Why is that? Just because?

Its unlikely that any school system is using the term "Critical Race Theory". But there is plenty of evidence that elements of it are being taught. One example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/anastasia-higginbotham-not-my-idea-children-police-killings/619087/

You mentioned my link to Reason, but seemed to ignore the EdWeek article. I would imagine they're a credible source on what the NEA is doing. Again, a quote from that:.

"But at the NEA’s representative assembly, held virtually last week, union delegates passed several measures that explicitly support the use of critical race theory in curriculum and allocated tens of thousands of dollars to those efforts."

I read both excerpts, actually. I didn’t say that the NEA didn’t consider CRT, I said that their definition of CRT is likely quite different from what right-wing talking heads refer to as CRT.

Your note regarding “elements” of CRT being taught in public schools tends to support my personal opinion that CRT is the straw man being used to stifle any discussion of the more reprehensible aspects of Europeans’ behavior vis-a-vis non-European people and their land.

White panic … and it’s going to get worse as the various majority-minorities slowly become more the rule than the exception.