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15 hours ago, Tweety said:

I disagree.   Mental health counseling should be in the hands of professionals and children should feel free to talk to someone outside the home, especially when the home might be the cause of mental illness.   Not all parents are fully functioning rationale and equipped to handle mental illness, especially if they are abusive, drug addicts or alcoholics.

My environment at home and at school fostered depression and anxiety in me and I was all alone.  Had I grown up knowing there was a safe place my young adulthood might have turned out much more happier and productive with better relationships.  

Teenage suicide, especially among homosexuals is a real thing.  Often for such kids parental rejection is the root cause.  How are they supposed to handle their kids depression when they contributed?

I guess it's a good thing I never had kids because they would be raised entirely different and ready for the real ugly world.  They wouldn't get a participation trophy, they would be allowed to lose and feel their struggles and I would be there for them.  At a certain age (probably 16)  they could read whatever they wanted to.  They would know about gay people, transgendered and differently genders persons.  They would know about the racist past of their ancestors, and celebrate equality and love America.   Oh well, moot point.  My kids probably would have been real screwed up like their dad.  LOL

I appreciate your experience and what you're saying.  I don't disagree.  

I feel you took a snippet of my post, which then was missing context.  I also said this:

"While it is important that children have counselors and teachers that recognize depression and anxiety and how to get needed resources to those that need them, it's not too hard to imagine many go outside of their scope on these subjects."

 

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59 minutes ago, chare said:

Alex Jones found liable in Sandy Hook defamation lawsuit

That reprobate had been spreading hateful and ridiculous nonsense about that tragic event for the better part of 10 years. 

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17 hours ago, heron said:

What, exactly, is being taught and how is it a product of critical race theory? You guys keep going on about this and not once have any of you named a specific concept or curriculum or actually demonstrated the supposed damage done to public school students.

I've given you an example of what is being taught.  The children's book.  And it is being used in schools. In the interview with the aurhor I linked to, the interviewer shares concerns about it being taught, and the author defends using it with children as young as kindergartners.

17 hours ago, heron said:

I watched your video … your reaction is a prime example of white panic hiding behind faux concern for children.

The video was a animated reading of the book. My reaction?  What was my reaction?  I believe I questioned what a kindgartner would get out if it.  Which, you seem to also question.

"White panic" is offensive, if not racist.  As is your implying that myself, because I'm white has a "faux concern for children".  What I really want to say to you about this would get me banned from this site.

17 hours ago, heron said:

Meanwhile, I have a few question: is this a textbook? If so, where and what grade? Why would you expect this to be taught to kindergarteners, specifically? Seems to me that it’s a little abstract for five-year-olds.

It's not a textbook.  But it is reported to be used in at least a few dozen school districts.

The author claims it's suitable for kindergartners.

On the author's website, a reviewer says that it's a read that will "help young people dismantle white supremacy".  Sorry, but I don't need my grade schooler worrying about taking on white supremacy with the help of a teacher who may or may not be qualified to do so, or have a political agenda.

17 hours ago, heron said:

Why is telling the truth about Europeans’ behavior past and present so problematic? Or are you contending that the book is promulgating lies? What lies,specifically?

Why is telling kids the truth about racism and showing them that they have the power to understand and do better automatically traumatizing? A little projection there, maybe?

ETA: for that matter, what about the effects of validating the lived experiences of non-European kids and their families? Is their mental health less important than making white kids comfortable with the status quo?

I've already said I don't have a problem with the teaching of good and bad of European or American history, or about racism.   That doesn't mean that there are not right and wrong ways to do that.  I've commented on that before.  The interviewer also went into that.  

Btw, If you're going to comment on and ask questions on my posts and opinions, at least read the material I brought into the discussion.

Another personal jab ("projection there, maybe" you said)  Yawn.  Some of you just can't help yourself from making some sort of personal comment in the course of discussion.  Why is that?  

 

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You’re still carefully avoiding naming those school districts as well as the grades in which it’s supposedly being taught. I call BS on those claims.

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1 hour ago, heron said:

You’re still carefully avoiding naming those school districts as well as the grades in which it’s supposedly being taught. I call BS on those claims.

I'll tell you again, I don't have specific school districts names that list "CRT" in their curriculum.  I'm not sure why your so caught up in that. 

I have shown you a article in EdWeek that suggests the NEA embraces the teaching of CRT principles.  And I've shown you a interview with the author of the children's book that appeared in The Atlantic that states that book is being used in schools. Neither one of those sources can be accused of being "right wing propaganda" that is cried here so often.

And, then, you've all but flat out said that you think CRT concepts should be taught in schools.

You can believe it or not, no skin off my nose.  I'm just mystified that when taking all that above, why you are so sure that CRT concepts are not being taught in schools.

You, btw, have carefully avoided answering many of my questions.

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I’m bearing down on that because it’s very easy to spin a fantasy about unnamed principals with unspecified “evidence” which makes it impossible to fact-check those claims.

In scientific experiments, if results can’t be replicated they are not accepted as valid. So, too, with claims that purport to prove a point, if they can’t be fact-checked, they don’t prove squat. “I know a guy whose cousin knows a guy who (insert claim du jour here)” doesn’t prove a thing except, perhaps gullibility.

In my opinion, this whole campaign against what right-wingnuts fondly believe to be CRT (which, according to posters who have actually worked with the real CRT, it isn’t), along with the demands that it be banned in public schools, is right up there with voter fraud and stolen elections as a solution looking for a problem. In this case, the problem is school-age kids actually being taught the truth about the history of Europeans in the americas.

The fact that the right wing has failed to clearly specify what they consider to be critical race theory betrays the real agenda here. Absent that definition, anything that makes white folks uncomfortable can be labeled CRT and banned from public school curricula.

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Heron, you are avoiding his questions and answers.  He or she just stated his evidence by providing information from Edweek and the Atlantic, a highly reputable news source.  I even included up above a story from a NYT times reporter speaking to teachers in a Virginia school district about their CRT training.

My concern and I'm sure others agree is not the notion that students should not be taught more about historical transgressions and facts as it relates to racial disparities, but in the way that it educates and provides context in a healthy and informative way.  There has been plenty of evidence that some, NOT ALL, yet some CRT based education has over generalized race issues and teaches students that society is split into oppressors vs oppressed, privileged vs unprivileged, etc...  These are very delicate subjects...

I am a father of a biracial child.  Understanding and appreciating other's people's perspectives will be important but like everything else, need to make sure the right message is coming across...

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We have heard from a poster who actually studied CRT that is not the same as what is characterized by right wing pundits as CRT. Those answers continue to conflate the two and are thus nonsensical.

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10 minutes ago, heron said:

We have heard from a poster who actually studied CRT that is not the same as what is characterized by right wing pundits as CRT. Those answers continue to conflate the two and are thus nonsensical.

Haha...how convenient.  One poster, here in AN, is who we are all supposed to accept to be the be-all, end-all expert that makes the rest of our opinions irrelevant. LOL.

And, I don't even think it was the poster who studied CRT.  Was it?  

What was that you were saying about relying on here say?

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We are talking about 2 different things.  What ever the poster studied and was taught about CRT at his specific school is one thing.  The are many avenues and different ideas as it relates to Critical Race Theory (derived from , much like the bible and it's interpretations.  There lies the danger...

Listen, I gather at least everyone on here agrees that culturally sensitivity and understanding is important.  I would be more than happy that school systems spent more time in discussing race relations and historical significant timelines as it relates to POC/minorities but again, we have to make sure the message comes across in a educational, informative way that leads to a better future.  

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Here you go everyone.  I've attached a link to a PhD student from 2009 who did EXTENSIVE research on the CRT from it's inception.  It's 20 pages with 3 pages worth of references and goes over the Core tenets of CRT.  It's a long, difficult read but if you want to know (I did), now you can read it yourself.

https://files.eric.ED.gov/fulltext/ED506735.pdf

ED506735.pdf

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1 hour ago, Balbaroy said:

Here you go everyone.  I've attached a link to a PhD student from 2009 who did EXTENSIVE research on the CRT from it's inception.  It's 20 pages with 3 pages worth of references and goes over the Core tenets of CRT.  It's a long, difficult read but if you want to know (I did), now you can read it yourself.

https://files.eric.ED.gov/fulltext/ED506735.pdf

ED506735.pdf

Nobody disagrees that graduate educators are offering up CRT  in colleges, regardless of any particular definition of what it is.  The question I whether this THEORY is being presented as factual to anyone, especially to students below high schoolers.  Nor do I believe there a common understanding of what it actually is except to the person who wrote the very first treatise to create the term "CRT."  

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