What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Balbaroy]

1 hour ago, subee said:

Nobody disagrees that graduate educators are offering up CRT  in colleges, regardless of any particular definition of what it is.  The question I whether this THEORY is being presented as factual to anyone, especially to students below high schoolers.  Nor do I believe there a common understanding of what it actually is except to the person who wrote the very first treatise to create the term "CRT."  

The question I answered was from Heron's "We have heard from a poster who actually studied CRT that is not the same as what is characterized by right wing pundits as CRT" and now will answer your assertion there is no common understanding.

Any professor, academic, or grad student will tell you that CRT is the accumulation of decades of research THAT DO have a focus/goals/tenets, whatever you want to call them.  They are (1)notion that racism is ordinary (2) interest convergence (3) social construction of race (4) the idea of storytelling (5) whites have actually benefited, been recipients of civil rights legislation.  If you disagree, this author references many of these tenets in this article which was written sooner this pat July:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-op-critical-race-theory-define-understand-20210729-hwdcf3tiujdajpuzew5j65wyhy-story.html 

So when "right wingers" claim that CRT teaches that racism is deeply embedded into the social psychology and structure of American culture and society, they're right! And you know what, CRT is right too in some aspects ?

I also seriously doubt that these ideals are being taught to school children but as I and other posters have referenced, their have been instances where perverse CRT-based lessons/programs have slipped through the cracks.  This is only the start...

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

AP News 11/15/21

Wyoming GOP votes to stop recognizing Cheney as a Republican

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The 31-29 vote Saturday in Buffalo, Wyoming, by the state party central committee followed votes by local GOP officials in about one-third of Wyoming’s 23 counties to no longer recognize Cheney as a Republican.

 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, NRSKarenRN said:

AP News 11/15/21

Wyoming GOP votes to stop recognizing Cheney as a Republican

 

It's interesting that, regardless of how Cheney votes or self identifies, the republican political party is canceling her membership. Is that how they are building a broad and inclusive coalition and political movement?

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

19 hours ago, Balbaroy said:

The question I answered was from Heron's "We have heard from a poster who actually studied CRT that is not the same as what is characterized by right wing pundits as CRT" and now will answer your assertion there is no common understanding.

Any professor, academic, or grad student will tell you that CRT is the accumulation of decades of research THAT DO have a focus/goals/tenets, whatever you want to call them.  They are (1)notion that racism is ordinary (2) interest convergence (3) social construction of race (4) the idea of storytelling (5) whites have actually benefited, been recipients of civil rights legislation.  If you disagree, this author references many of these tenets in this article which was written sooner this pat July:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-op-critical-race-theory-define-understand-20210729-hwdcf3tiujdajpuzew5j65wyhy-story.html 

So when "right wingers" claim that CRT teaches that racism is deeply embedded into the social psychology and structure of American culture and society, they're right! And you know what, CRT is right too in some aspects ?

I also seriously doubt that these ideals are being taught to school children but as I and other posters have referenced, their have been instances where perverse CRT-based lessons/programs have slipped through the cracks.  This is only the start...

You haven't shown any evidence of this for elementary or junior high students.  High school students are competent enough to debate the theory themselves and there's nothing perverse about it.  They are smart enough to distinguish between the oppressor vs. oppressed BS themselves .  Excellent discussion for debate teams.

[heron, ASN, RN]

On 11/16/2021 at 12:36 PM, Beerman said:

Haha...how convenient.  One poster, here in AN, is who we are all supposed to accept to be the be-all, end-all expert that makes the rest of our opinions irrelevant. LOL.

And, I don't even think it was the poster who studied CRT.  Was it?  

What was that you were saying about relying on here say?

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From MunoRN on 11/14/21 in this thread:

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

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Sunday

"I took a college course that included CRT, my wife took CRT specific courses as part of her teaching program.  CRT itself does not dictate what conclusions someone should draw from studying the history of racial inequity and quite often the conclusions someone comes to as a result of CRT is that there are a number of issues that are falsely described as racism.

The "CRT is bad" premise seems to come out of the same belief systems that led to textbooks that promote slavery as having been beneficial to black people.  I had a patient not long ago, watched Alex Jones and Newsmax constantly on his tablet, and on a piece on CRT pointed out to me that the slaves had no reason to complain, thanks to us they "don't have to live in huts" anymore, so we shouldn't be teaching that slavery was problematic, which he attributed to CRT."

So, we are supposed to discount the description of CRT from someone who has actually worked with it in favor of those who cannot even say what it means?

Mmmkay...

 

 

 

[heron, ASN, RN]

FWIW: found in today's Daily Beast:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/department-of-education-investigating-southlake-texas-school-district-over-discrimination-claims

... The district developed plans to combat racism and increase diversity, but conservative parents have resisted the effort and claimed the movement was designed to promote critical race theory. The district had come under hot water last month after an official told teachers to give lessons surrounding the Holocaust a “both sides” approach before walking back the statement.

[Beerman, BSN]

1 hour ago, heron said:

From MunoRN on 11/14/21 in this thread:

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

6,212 Likes   7,584 Posts

Sunday

"I took a college course that included CRT, my wife took CRT specific courses as part of her teaching program.  CRT itself does not dictate what conclusions someone should draw from studying the history of racial inequity and quite often the conclusions someone comes to as a result of CRT is that there are a number of issues that are falsely described as racism.

The "CRT is bad" premise seems to come out of the same belief systems that led to textbooks that promote slavery as having been beneficial to black people.  I had a patient not long ago, watched Alex Jones and Newsmax constantly on his tablet, and on a piece on CRT pointed out to me that the slaves had no reason to complain, thanks to us they "don't have to live in huts" anymore, so we shouldn't be teaching that slavery was problematic, which he attributed to CRT."

So, we are supposed to discount the description of CRT from someone who has actually worked with it in favor of those who cannot even say what it means?

Mmmkay...

 

 

 

 Mmmkay....that's not what I said.

 

[MunoRN, RN]

On 11/15/2021 at 6:26 AM, Beerman said:

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be taught, but I've read enough and have seen enough in this world that it's easy to believe that it is in some form.

I'm not sure why some are so sure that it's not.

"National Education Association President Becky Pringle has avoided using the term critical race theory in interviews, instead calling for educators to teach the truth about the most painful parts of American history. But at the NEA’s representative assembly, held virtually last week, union delegates passed several measures that explicitly support the use of critical race theory in curriculum and allocated tens of thousands of dollars to those efforts."

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/teachers-unions-vow-to-defend-members-in-critical-race-theory-fight/2021/07

"That said, the National Education Association (NEA) appears to have accepted the conservative framing of CRT: namely, that it's not merely confined to academia but is in fact also being taught in K-12 schools. And the NEA thinks this is a good thing that should be defended.

At its yearly annual meeting, conducted virtually over the past few days, the NEA adopted New Business Item 39, which essentially calls for the organization to defend the teaching of critical race theory.*

"It is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory," says the item.

Consistent with its defense of CRT, the NEA will also provide a study "that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society." The implication is that these critiques are aspects of critical race theory, which in a weird way makes this an example of the activist left basically accepting the activist right's new working definition of CRT as "all of the various cultural insanities."

https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/

 

Your source points out that the "activist right" has redefined what CRT is, so I'm not sure how that supports the claim that CRT only produces a fairly narrow set of conclusions.

 

On 11/15/2021 at 8:38 AM, Beerman said:

Why is that?  Just because?

Its unlikely that any school system is using the term "Critical Race Theory".  But there is plenty of evidence that elements of it are being taught.  One example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/anastasia-higginbotham-not-my-idea-children-police-killings/619087/

You mentioned my link to Reason, but seemed to ignore the EdWeek article.  I would imagine they're a credible source on what the NEA is doing.  Again, a quote from that:. 

"But at the NEA’s representative assembly, held virtually last week, union delegates passed several measures that explicitly support the use of critical race theory in curriculum and allocated tens of thousands of dollars to those efforts."

I asked my wife, the 'formerly referred as librarian media specialist' if they included this book in their curriculum, she said that had been discussed by her district and they overwhelmingly agreed that the author framed racial inequalities in ways that aren't beneficial or accurate, and likely do more harm than good.  This is in a fairly liberal, actually very liberal, school district.  She said she had read an article at the time which generally captured their views on the book, which was the Atlantic article you posted.  She also pointed out that it's the basic principles of Critical Race Theory that led them to conclude this book was problematic.

[toomuchbaloney]

Trump’s Bureau of Land Management HQ move reduced Black employees, created mass vacancies, report says 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/11/17/BLM-gao-report-headquarters/

More evidence of the corrupt malfeasance and incompetence of the previous president and his administration.  How many years will it take to unravel all of the iniquitous idiocies of that administration?

[toomuchbaloney]

Pentagon inspector general raises questions about former D.C. Guard commander’s Jan. 6 account

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/11/17/January-6-william-walker-national-guard/

Yikes. 

Seems like that communication and collaboration was suffering from the Trump effect.  It was fraught with untruths, confusion and chaos. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Pentagon inspector general raises questions about former D.C. Guard commander’s Jan. 6 account

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/11/17/January-6-william-walker-national-guard/

Yikes. 

Seems like that communication and collaboration was suffering from the Trump effect.  It was fraught with untruths, confusion and chaos. 

But isn't it interesting that a serious newspaper like the WP attempts to reconstruct the actual events in a timeline to ensure that the FACTS get reported, unlike the empty-headed political commentators of the right who report jibberish not commesurate with reality.  Once again, a newspaper of excellence is willing to lay out the facts for us to draw our own conclusions as if they were, wait, it's on the tip of my tongue........professional journalists!

[Balbaroy]

1 hour ago, subee said:

But isn't it interesting that a serious newspaper like the WP attempts to reconstruct the actual events in a timeline to ensure that the FACTS get reported, unlike the empty-headed political commentators of the right who report jibberish not commesurate with reality.  Once again, a newspaper of excellence is willing to lay out the facts for us to draw our own conclusions as if they were, wait, it's on the tip of my tongue........professional journalists!

Wow, what naïve and pretentious comments for a site like AN.  Also, quoting a bias and liberal paper like the Washington Post and then just blindly attacking the "right" shows insulation and ingenuity on your part.  Honestly could care less about Right vs Left, Fox News vs CNN/MSNBC because they all just blindly throw mud at each other and never admit or concede anything.

I could easily find reputable and "professional journalistic" articles bashing Biden in so many different arenas but I don't live in an echo chamber.  

Do and be better than that, I know you can...