What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Beerman, BSN · Oct 30, 2021

5 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

You have to wonder to what depths will republicans sink to, re hypocrisy and that they love to talk about 'Free Speech', and here they are, restricting free speech!

I mean it's one way of sifting out liberals? Only have right leaning students!

What makes you think that the University of Florida is run by Republicans?

toomuchbaloney · Oct 30, 2021

2 hours ago, chare said:

I was unable to access your article as it is behind a paywall. However, rather than being prevented to testify, as you suggest, it appears that they are being prevented from taking consultant positions as experts for the plaintiff.

University of Florida bars three professors from testifying in lawsuit over elections bill

In order to testify they would have to be experts of record on the subject and then hired by either the defense or prosecution to testify according to their expert analysis and opinion. In my view, that narrow restriction is more problematic.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 30, 2021

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

What makes you think that the University of Florida is run by Republicans?

It seems doubtful since Republicans lawmakers put pressure on them for suspending conservative groups.

http://statements.ufl.edu/statements/2021/march-/university-statement-on-interim-suspension-of-student-groups-.html?fbclid=IwAR3AzYCU7cFwg4ZYQgFJYkkFwISBBSkWYPSM614MlSgq7HMtLroqx3vA4vk

They were also critical of DeSantis and his interference in public higher education.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/24/ron-desantis-florida-governor-bill-indoctrination-colleges

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 31, 2021

2 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

I think you might rethink that statement at some point.

The huge amount of elderly people despite vaccination and the other demographics of republicans in that state, literally guarantees a fiasco of some kind.

I can't think of any republican leaning state or republican demographic that doesn't stumble from one disaster to another, frequently!

What statement is that?. We are good now in the covid department.

The economy is improving and covid has fallen dramatically. Who can blame the governor for highlighting the best?

Yes, we'll probably have another disastrous surge of covid, inflation is out of hand, on and on, but I beg to differ about what you say about Republican states. A good deal of states have their issues. New York, California, Washington and Illinois have a host of problems. What state doesn't?

Beerman, BSN · Oct 31, 2021

On 10/29/2021 at 12:28 PM, MunoRN said:

Change in total nonfarm employment by state, over-the-month and over-the-year, seasonally adjusted (BLS.gov)

It did actually, that was the reason given by DeSantis about why they were creating more jobs than the national average: "We are outpacing the nation in job growth and job opportunities because businesses know that Florida will stand up for them,” said DeSantis in the release. “Despite tremendous national headwinds and economic uncertainty, Florida has reached a level of job growth only seen on four other occasions in the past 30 years. We will continue to work hard to keep Florida open, free and built for opportunity.”

The article also gives DeSantis's statement on refusing vaccination mandates as a reason to explain the job growth.

I guess there is enough there for you to grasp on to save face.

You would think DeSantis's office, and the Daily Wire, would have just been more direct if that was what they wanted to say .

And then, you didn't even include the vaccine quote from the article. Probably because it doesn't even come close to saying what you're claiming.

Beerman, BSN · Oct 31, 2021

3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

This is similar to my thoughts. How many lives were sacrificed to save Florida's economy?

You can only wonder, because you don't have any facts to back up your hypothetical question.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Oct 31, 2021

56 minutes ago, Beerman said:

You can only wonder, because you don't have any facts to back up your hypothetical question.

I find it hard to find data to compare death rates between states, due to the different reporting systems between states and the CDC.

I will have to defer to other posters who are more adept than I at finding this data. @MunoRN? @Macawake?

Beerman, BSN · Oct 31, 2021

12 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I find it hard to find data to compare death rates between states, due to the different reporting systems between states and the CDC.

I will have to defer to other posters who are more adept than I at finding this data. @MunoRN? @Macawake?

There are too many variables in populations, healthcare available, etc., and like you said different reporting systems.

The WHO has even said as much.

Don't fret though. Muno will find something and spin it in a way that will back up what you want to believe.

MunoRN, RN · Oct 31, 2021

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I guess there is enough there for you to grasp on to save face.

You would think DeSantis's office, and the Daily Wire, would have just been more direct if that was what they wanted to say .

And then, you didn't even include the vaccine quote from the article. Probably because it doesn't even come close to saying what you're claiming.

"We will continue to work hard to keep Florida open, free and built for opportunity.” is pretty straightforward in it's reference to Covid restrictions. As is the reference to opposing vaccine mandates. Not sure how you missed those.

I think the far more relevant point though is that Florida's employment rate jumped up because of changes to their unemployment insurance, but whether you were referencing that I have no idea, because again:

On 10/27/2021 at 8:32 PM, MunoRN said:

Not really a fan of the "I'm going to post something to make a point but not explain the point so when someone disproves the point I can say I never made the point the first place", but anyways...

Whatever your point is, at least have the balls to just point it out.

guest1163268 · Oct 31, 2021

7 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I find it hard to find data to compare death rates between states, due to the different reporting systems between states and the CDC.

I will have to defer to other posters who are more adept than I at finding this data. @MunoRN? @Macawake?

I mostly go on character to justify my conclusions,if data isn't available.

And the character of republicans especially DeSantis, tells me that almost all of his statements will be lie based. He's a habitual liar and conman just like trump and most of the GOP, so I would more than likely believe the opposite of what he says or they say!

Very difficult to fool me twice!

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 31, 2021

48 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

I mostly go on character to justify my conclusions,if data isn't available.

And the character of republicans especially DeSantis, tells me that almost all of his statements will be lie based. He's a habitual liar and conman just like trump and most of the GOP, so I would more than likely believe the opposite of what he says or they say!

Very difficult to fool me twice!

I'd have to agree somewhat. PolitiFact rates only 3% of his statements as True and 25% as mostly true. This of course is only things they've chosen to check so it's skewed. The same organization shows Biden with 11% fully true statements and 23 mostly true.

However, the same link below shows that much misinformation and lies are spread about him.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/ron-desantis/

toomuchbaloney · Oct 31, 2021

During Jan. 6 riot, Trump attorney told Pence team the vice president’s inaction caused attack on Capitol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eastman-pence-email-riot-trump/2021/10/29/59373016-38c1-11ec-91dc-551d44733e2d_story.html

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As Vice President Mike Pence hid from a marauding mob during the Jan. 6 invasion of the Capitol, an attorney for President Donald Trump emailed a top Pence aide to say that Pence had caused the violence by refusing to block certification of Trump’s election loss.
The attorney, John C. Eastman, also continued to press for Pence to act even after Trump’s supporters had trampled through the Capitol — an attack the Pence aide, Greg Jacob, had described as a “siege” in their email exchange.
“The ‘siege’ is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so that the American people can see for themselves what happened,” Eastman wrote to Jacob, referring to Trump’s claims of voter fraud.
Eastman sent the email as Pence, who had been presiding in the Senate, was under guard with Jacob and other advisers in a secure area. Rioters were tearing through the Capitol complex, some of them calling for Pence to be executed.

I rather imagine that this is some of the stuff that Trump really wants to hide with executive privilege. I wonder if the next step will be for Team Trump to tell us that Eastman is nobody and Trump doesn't know who he is.