What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

[guest1163268]

Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[toomuchbaloney]

6 minutes ago, chare said:

Out of curiosity, at what point does the current administration become responsible for what happens during their watch?  

Doesn't that depend what you are talking about? In the case of Trump's presidency, the answer was never unless it's good news. 

The reality is that this US economy and economies across the globe are still suffering because of COVID and Biden will be held accountable in the press, recent polls demonstrate that. The reality is that climate change is a global crisis that inspires American conservatives toward obstruction and Biden will be accountable for promises he made relative to those goals by the progressive caucus.  

Right now, Biden is responsible for the health and general welfare of We the People and he is doing as much as he can to end this pandemic, save lives and preserve the economy and people's dignity in the midst of national crisis.  The US vaccination rate is Biden's challenge.  How does Biden get people vaccinated who are deeply indoctrinated into a mindset about covid mitigation? 

 Right now, Biden is held accountable for all manner of things both inside and outside of his purview or control, particularly in the press.  How much responsibility are you expecting for a country that didn't hold the previous president accountable or responsible for all manner of rule breaking, abuse of power or dishonesty?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

15 hours ago, Beerman said:

isn't there someone here who keeps up on the Sunday morning news programs?  I'm surprised they didn't mention this interesting, but not surprising info from a NBC News/ Meet the Press poll:

"When asked which party better handles particular issues, Republicans hold double-digit advantages on border security (by 27 points), inflation (24 points), crime (22 points), national security (21 points), the economy (18 points) and being effective and getting things done (13 points).

By contrast, Democrats hold double-digit edges on abortion (by 10 points), the coronavirus (12 points) and climate change (24 points), but all of those advantages are smaller than those the party enjoyed during the 2020 election."

And, of course Biden's approval continues to plummet:

"What people voted for was stability and calm," added fellow Democratic pollster Peter Hart. "And what they got was instability and chaos.”

In the poll, 42 percent of adults say they approve of Biden’s overall job as president — a decline of 7 points since August, with much of the attrition coming from key parts of the Democratic base."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/biden-s-job-rating-sinks-42-percent-nbc-news-poll-n1282781

 

Seems that the issues that are important to Republicans are the ones that they are good at and visa versa and people can see that.  This is not a surprising poll.

There is no doubt that confidence in Biden and the Democratic Party has eroded the past nine months.  We'll see how this translates into Republican gain but like mid-terms it often does.

In some ways I think Biden, fair or unfair, has to bear the burden of the covid surge, the border situation and inflation, gas prices, the supply chain.   Covid seems to be no longer on people's minds but it was under is watch that there was a really bad surge.  Afghanistan also seems to be fading.  So time to focus on other things.

Other things like the two "moderate" Democrat Senators and the progressive members of the house holding things up have really amounted to a whole lot of nothing happening the last nine months.

Republicans are always quick to blame the media for bad press and now it's Biden's turn.  The press is always hypercritical and analytical about presidential problems. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-achievements-are-big-his-press-coverage-is-small

Then there's the things that blow up on social media like Biden appearing to fall asleep during climate speech.  This is fair.

But the idea that Biden is the mainstream media's darling is not true.

[toomuchbaloney]

4 minutes ago, Tweety said:

The press is always hypercritical and analytical about presidential problems. 

The press is definitely part of the problem. 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

25 minutes ago, chare said:

Out of curiosity, at what point does the current administration become responsible for what happens during their watch?  

This is a good discussion question, as as TMB stated, it depends. There is no hard, fast cutoff, obviously. 

The economy is complicated with a lot of confounding factors like supply chain interruption, OPEC and the price of oil, weather that disrupts natural gas production and movement, lack of childcare, etc. 

Likewise the border mess. This has been going for decades, and only seems to progressively worsen with political unrest and climate change. 

But something like COVID response depends on having effective administrators in place, and getting effective systems in place. This still depends on cooperation from states, and we know that has been mixed. 

I personally think too many citizens are low-information with limited critical thinking skills and think the switch flips on inauguration day. 

[chare]

17 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

36 minutes ago, chare said:

Out of curiosity, at what point does the current administration become responsible for what happens during their watch?  

Doesn't that depend what you are talking about? In the case of Trump's presidency, the answer was never unless it's good news. 

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My question was directed to @subee's comment:

1 hour ago, subee said:

Chuck Todd is no Tim Russert:(  These Republicans who were polled obviously don't read newspapers if they believe that Biden is responsible for all the failures he was given before his election. ...

I read this to indicated that she felt that a previous administration was responsible, to some extent, for events that occur early in an administration.  I actually agree with this, to some extent.  However, and at the risk of being accused of diflection or whataboutism, I distinctly recall that many on the left, to include some on this site, held Mr. Bush solely responsible for 9/11, an event that occurred 7.5 months into his administration.  As we are now over 10 months into Mr. Biden's administration, when will he be held responsible for actions occurring during his watch?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

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Gen Z-ers, voters more likely than any other generation to support Democratic candidates, according to Pew, are also now the voters most likely to say they no longer support the job performance of President Joe Biden and other established Democrat leaders.

https://www.lx.com/politics/young-voters-didn't-turn-out-for-californias-recall-what-that-means-for-democrats-in-2022/44683/?_osource=sm_npd_nbc_lx_twt_mn. 

 

The article also mentions that slow progress in Washington is nothing new and being older I know this.  LOL

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

38 minutes ago, chare said:

Out of curiosity, at what point does the current administration become responsible for what happens during their watch?  

It depends on the situation.  The Covid numbers were out of control before the election; the border was out of control before the election (and I don't blame Trump for the situation there either).  I'm not much of a historian but with the exception of Lincoln or Grant, I'm not coming up with any other election that the previous occupant of the White House left the country in such a lousy mess.  All of the moron grifters he appointed to office ruined what they touched.  Hiring talent for offices and getting the bureaucracy operative again sucked a lot of energy we could have devoted to other things.....like the border.  Do you have any answers on how so solve that mess?  Countries around the world are having the same issue.  Trump was too stupid to even bother trying.  He left us with a critical mass of morons in the Republican party who only know how to obstruct; they are way too defective to construct anything.  So yeah, Biden is just stymied.  I'm happy with the cut in the Covid spending bill - at least something can be accomplished .  I wished he would have made cuts months ago but here we are.  But the damage he has done is minor to what Trump had done.  At least we have more people in the West Wing competent to grind the wheels. 

4 minutes ago, Tweety said:

https://www.lx.com/politics/young-voters-didn't-turn-out-for-californias-recall-what-that-means-for-democrats-in-2022/44683/?_osource=sm_npd_nbc_lx_twt_mn. 

 

The article also mentions that slow progress in Washington is nothing new and being older I know this.  LOL

And those Gen-Z'ers will be left with the world they deserve if they abandon the process altogether.

[toomuchbaloney]

21 minutes ago, chare said:

However, and at the risk of being accused of diflection or whataboutism, I distinctly recall that many on the left, to include some on this site, held Mr. Bush solely responsible for 9/11, an event that occurred 7.5 months into his administration.  As we are now over 10 months into Mr. Biden's administration, when will he be held responsible for actions occurring during his watch?

Yeah. Many on the left held Bush accountable for 9/11 just like many on the right hold Biden accountable for what happened in Afghanistan. What do you see as the difference in that "responsibility" for the two presidents? What kind of responsibility and accountability are you thinking should be seen and for what presidential actions? 

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch8.htm

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

I was on these forums and I don't remember Bush taking the blame for 9/11 and he was widely praised for his actions afterwards.  I think when it came to 9/11 Bush perhaps in his early administration didn't do much to alleviate what anger the terrorists and the Middle East in general had towards America.  I think for a lot of people it was a wake up call that people actually didn't like our policies.  But direct blame, I didn't hear much of that but I'm sure it happened.

How I see the situation is that you certainly can't blame Biden for some of the problems he inherited and it's unrealistic to think that he's going to solve those problems right away.  He is responsible for his current actions...are they attempting to fix the situation, ignore the situation, or will they make the situation better.  That's how I'm judging him, not for the fact that the problem exists.  

If something is happening on someone's watch it's appropriate to hold the current President accountable for it, but it's a waste of time to play the blame game.  It's also a waste of time to be unrealistic in having him fix problems quickly.  

I think the border situation was caused by Biden not being Trump and it's clear that people rushed to the Border after he won the election.  He didn't cause that, but it's his problem to fix.  This is what we should concentrate on.  Trump had a huge surge that wasn't really his causing, but he dealt with it the way he did.  He didn't fix it though did he?  But again, I don't like looking back like that. 

Biden is kind of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.  He's made a record number of arrests and not everyone is happy about that.  

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-under-pressure-us-mexico-border-arrests-reach-record-highs-2021-10-20/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tens-thousands-migrants-southern-border-remain-in-mexico-restart

[guest1163268]

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The press is definitely part of the problem. 

I think an ignorant public is the problem. 

Whose fault is it when you go into a dollar store and buy something that breaks two days later? 

Sensationalism sells. It's up to the individual to know enough that when an orange pedophilic, rapist, orangutan, wearing a fox's tail on his head hands you something, it's very likely that it's a handful of kaka! 

Orangutan rapists, breaks many things that will take time to repair! 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Curious1997 said:

I think an ignorant public is the problem. 

Whose fault is it when you go into a dollar store and buy something that breaks two days later? 

Sensationalism sells. It's up to the individual to know enough that when an orange pedophilic, rapist, orangutan, wearing a fox's tail on his head hands you something, it's very likely that it's a handful of kaka! 

Orangutan rapists, breaks many things that will take time to repair! 

The public knows what the press reports. 

I won't argue that we've under invested in public education in this country.  The consequences of that conservative philosophy about education are becoming increasingly obvious and dangerous. IMV

[guest1163268]

5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The public knows what the press reports. 

I won't argue that we've under invested in public education in this country.  The consequences of that conservative philosophy about education are becoming increasingly obvious and dangerous. IMV

I'm waiting to see Epstein style whose reputation is going to be tarnished next for associating with trump or who's going to jail? 

No one is going to jail for Biden or even losing their reputation, but almost everyone has become toxic through association with trump! 

That to me is an expression of intelligence. Education doesn't necessarily contribute to intelligence but it helps. Intelligent people listen and observe and replicate successful people adapting the formula to their own lives. Apparently, many republicans think trump is successful. I'm hoping that they all replicate his behaviors with the resulting outcomes. 

It's only a matter of time before they turn on each other!