Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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20 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

 

As for your question:

 I need you to clarify this hypothetical discussion because I wouldn't discuss "reasons not to" for them.  I'll gladly answer but be more clear.

They read this thread titled "Valid Reasons Not To Get Vaccinated" and didn't get vaccinated because of a reason you mentioned.

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4 hours ago, macawake said:


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LOL, I have a feeling a number of people posting here will NOT get your joke. ?

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6 hours ago, jive turkey said:

The problem is, several posters don't realize a valid reason not to vaccinate is subjective.  They expect you to give them a reason they consider valid themselves.   If they don't consider it valid, in their opinion, it's not valid for ANYBODY.

If you get one of those people who keep saying "you haven't provided a valid reason" just ignore em.  Until the CDC says "never mind, don't get it" there won't be a valid reason to them.

It's the same language it uses for the condoms on CDC. LOL.

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2 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

They read this thread titled "Valid Reasons Not To Get Vaccinated" and didn't get vaccinated because of a reason you mentioned.

No Boston your hypothetical story was I had a direct discussion with someone. Now you're saying they read the thread title, didn't bother to read the content of the thread and didn't vaccinate?  That didn't make sense.  If someone saw a thread title and decided not to vaccinate off that alone, they had their mind made up already.  

  

As I said,  I do not and would not tell anybody to get it or not.  Discussing study findings doesn't constitute perpetuating their death. 

 

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6 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

No Boston your hypothetical story was I had a direct discussion with someone. Now you're saying they read the thread title, didn't bother to read the content of the thread and didn't vaccinate?  That didn't make sense.  If someone saw a thread title and decided not to vaccinate off that alone, they had their mind made up already.  

  

As I said,  I do not and would not tell anybody to get it or not.  Discussing study findings doesn't constitute perpetuating their death. 

 

No? Is assume that is cowardice in not answering?

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1 hour ago, BostonFNP said:

No? Is assume that is cowardice in not answering?

You changed your story bro. First it was talking about reasons not to vaccinate then it's ", if they read the thread title"

Get your hypothetical story straight buddy.

Secondly I answered you.  You're trying to create a scenario where I advise someone against the vaccine.  I wouldn't do that.  

 

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4 hours ago, jive turkey said:

Perhaps you missed it.  When you asserted that "my claims about reinfection being rare" I responded.  I'll put below part of it to keep it short, you can see all of it on pg 40:

 " These aren't "my claims".   I submitted studies, including from the CDC that stated reinfection is rare.  I didn't make arguments about variants. If you don't like the language complain to the following:

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html

Did you see the part that says "Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare."

That's updated Aug 6, 2021

What you got to say now?"

I also gave you several other links to go review, and complain to the authors about reinfection rates.  

You're speculating how long natural immunity lasts so that's not a strong argument to make.

And I haven't said previously infected "don't need to". That's a decision between them and their provider.  I've said many times what my position was.  Not going to repeat. Don't add twists to it.

The same page states to get vaccinated as soon as you can.

Again, I'm not sure where you are getting that the rate of reinfection is low enough to replace vaccination, the CDC clearly doesn't support your assertion the recommendation to gat vaccinated as soon as possible is case dependent, resulting in a recommendation to check with your doctor first.

The CDC also lists the rate of auto accidents relative to miles driven, which shows the probably of an accident where seat belts protect you is exponentially lower than the risk of Covid reinfection, would it be accurate to say that because of this, the CDC is saying that you don't really need to wear a seat belt, or that you should check with your doctor to see if seat belts are the right choice for you?

And you're correct that the CDC recently updated their page on reinfections, that update was to add the qualifier that what we thought we knew a year ago isn't as applicable today thanks to the emergence of the Delta variant.

4 hours ago, jive turkey said:

You're speculating how long natural immunity lasts so that's not a strong argument to make.

I can't tell if that statement is supposed to counter your arguments or support them.

You are absolutely correct though, we don't know how long natural immunity is effective for so we shouldn't make assumptions, the most effective protection is for everyone to get vaccinated, regardless of history of previous infection.

What you've been suggesting (it's the title you gave to your thread) is that there are valid reasons to not get vaccinated, one of which being a previous infection.  The patients I care for who could have avoided their situation, and in many cases their death, repeat similar theories as to why they didn't get vaccinated.  Spreading these ideas has consequences, regardless of how much you would like to think they don't.

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There's a jive turkey that was actively sharing similar thinking about remaining unvaccinated on Reddit, too. What a coincidence.  

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36 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

You changed your story bro. First it was talking about reasons not to vaccinate then it's ", if they read the thread title"

Get your hypothetical story straight buddy.

Secondly I answered you.  You're trying to create a scenario where I advise someone against the vaccine.  I wouldn't do that.  

 

Where is the answer? 

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This crow found someone's secret stash of Ivermectin, ??????

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32 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

This crow found someone's secret stash of Ivermectin, ??????

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