Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

Interesting articles.....

"A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta"

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

"Can You Get Delta Variant if You Already Had COVID-19?"

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-you-get-delta-variant-if-you-already-had-covid-19

 

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2 hours ago, FolksBtrippin said:

We talked about this Turkey. Vaccines are under nursing scope of practice. That’s why we have flu clinics. Covid clinics. Etc. You should have learned in nursing school that vaccines do not require an order. If your state has restrictions then it also has a workaround with a standing order. Public health emergencies do not require individual consultations with pcps for a life saving vaccine. We have approx 210,000 primary care physicians and approx 332,000,000 people in the US. What you are suggesting is an absurdity.

We did talk about it.  You just contradicted yourself. If a restriction requires a standing order then hello! A standing order IS AN ORDER.

In case you're confused, when I say orders, I'm not speaking of telephone orders or verbal orders to give a vaccine.   A first year nurse would have understood that.

If you're going to use math to be further condescending,  do it correctly! 332M people aren't unvaccinated or have doubts to the degree they need the PCP for guidance.   

 That's on you if you're going around telling people what medication to take and want to take responsibility for it.

 If you have the ability to call up Pfizer, order a batch of vaccines, take an office space and start your own clinic, injecting people without a physician overseeing, kudos.

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34 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

We did talk about it.  You just contradicted yourself. If a restriction requires a standing order then hello! A standing order IS AN ORDER.

In case you're confused, when I say orders, I'm not speaking of telephone orders or verbal orders to give a vaccine.   A first year nurse would have understood that.

If you're going to use math to be further condescending,  do it correctly! 332M people aren't unvaccinated or have doubts to the degree they need the PCP for guidance.   

 That's on you if you're going around telling people what medication to take and want to take responsibility for it.

 If you have the ability to call up Pfizer, order a batch of vaccines, take an office space and start your own clinic, injecting people without a physician overseeing, kudos.

Turkey that’s obtuse. Nursing scope of practice isn’t determined by the state. It is sometimes restricted by the state. You still haven’t stated what you mean by “high risk”.  I smell a bot. I certainly don’t detect a nurse, even a dim one. I’m out of this circus. Shame on all nurses for encouraging this irresponsible discussion.

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19 minutes ago, FolksBtrippin said:

Turkey that’s obtuse. Nursing scope of practice isn’t determined by the state. It is sometimes restricted by the state. You still haven’t stated what you mean by “high risk”.  I smell a bot. I certainly don’t detect a nurse, even a dim one. I’m out of this circus. Shame on all nurses for encouraging this irresponsible discussion.

https://www.azleg.gov/arsDetail/?title=32

Read about the nurse practice act there then tell me more about being obtuse.  Wow!

High risk for having complications from covid due to other underlying health conditions.  Everyone else understood that. And you want to call me dim ?

Launching insults is a sign of weakness, which is why you made a good decision to leave the discussion. 

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6 hours ago, FolksBtrippin said:

Turkey that’s obtuse. Nursing scope of practice isn’t determined by the state. It is sometimes restricted by the state. ...

Then who is it determined by?

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2 hours ago, chare said:

Then who is it determined by?

The ANA.

 

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15 hours ago, jive turkey said:

Are you paying for my admission and other bills? YES OR NO?

Don't side step the question with more vaccination arguments I want to know... YES OR NO

 

The cost of being treated for an anaphylactic reaction is a fraction of a penny on the dollar to paying for a covid hospitalization. 

If you have health insurance or medicare/aid, the bill is getting paid. If you have a legit vaccine injury, there is also the vaccine court to pay costs.  

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21 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

The cost of being treated for an anaphylactic reaction is a fraction of a penny on the dollar to paying for a covid hospitalization. 

If you have health insurance or medicare/aid, the bill is getting paid. If you have a legit vaccine injury, there is also the vaccine court to pay costs.  

I had my vaccines at a drive-up  location .  An MD from the urgent care center was present to be available for anaphylaxis.  Having a previos anaphylactic reaction to a drug and having to go to ER, I can state that it is miniscule in cost compared to a Covid admission.  Decadron, Tagamet, benadryl, epi  nasal cannula and an hour was all that was required because the reaction occurred while I was in the OR and was able to get to the ER immediately.  Can you cite a case where anyone getting the vaccine died from an anaphylactic reaction in the US?

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5 minutes ago, subee said:

I had my vaccines at a drive-up  location .  An MD from the urgent care center was present to be available for anaphylaxis.  Having a previos anaphylactic reaction to a drug and having to go to ER, I can state that it is miniscule in cost compared to a Covid admission.  Decadron, Tagamet, benadryl, epi  nasal cannula and an hour was all that was required because the reaction occurred while I was in the OR and was able to get to the ER immediately.  Can you cite a case where anyone getting the vaccine died from an anaphylactic reaction in the US?

Yeah, dollars to donuts most places require the vaccinated remain on site for a given period of time, with personnel and crash cart on standby. I think this argument is a straw man, which is why Baloney didn't engage.

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1 minute ago, Horseshoe said:

Yeah, dollars to donuts most places require the vaccinated remain on site for a given period of time, with personnel and crash cart on standby. I think this argument is a straw man, which is why Baloney didn't engage.

Oh yeah.. We had to sit in our car for 15 minutes following injection and they lined the cars up carefully so that the most recent injectee was closest to the tent if there was a problem.  And yes, I need to learn to disengage:)

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Same here; Drive up injections. MD and nurses available for anaphylaxis. We had to wait 20 minutes after shot in car to ensure we would be OK.

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14 hours ago, jive turkey said:

I didn't think so. Simple question.  You won't answer it. 

The answer is no. You wouldn't.  Its easy to sit there behind a keyboard telling people what to do without taking any responsibility for it.

Deuces!

The answer is no...I'm not answering your stupid questions because you have demonstrated before that your question is insincere, another simple attempt to play some semantic game rather than honestly discuss the excuses you make and elevate for not vaccinating. I'm guessing that you want to play around with irrelevant scenarios rather than discuss your valid reasons to remain unvaccinated because you can't come up with any valid reasons that will survive scrutiny from health professionals. 

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