Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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On 8/14/2021 at 9:56 PM, jive turkey said:

Just to clarify:

My personal position is that anyone who has never been infected or are high risk,  consult their provider to determine if the vaccine is appropriate for them.  

For those who have been infected and/or are high risk, same. 

Blanket statements and recommendations aside articles such as those are reason enough for me to ask questions and have concern for those who have natural immunity without having a hardline position.

I'm not on a crusade  to tell people they should or should not get it. 

 Additional sources of information are welcome. 

Turkey, high risk of what? High risk of dying from COVID? Why would they need to ask their healthcare provider if they should get the vaccine  over someone who is low risk of dying of COVID? What is your rationale Turkey? 

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43 minutes ago, FolksBtrippin said:

Turkey, high risk of what? High risk of dying from COVID? Why would they need to ask their healthcare provider if they should get the vaccine  over someone who is low risk of dying of COVID? What is your rationale Turkey? 

I'm not a doctor so I don't go around telling people what drugs they should or should not take.  All drugs come with risks. Anyone with doubt should consult a provider to learn about them respective to their personal medical history. That's my rationale.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

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#1The current data and expert analysis indicate that no harm will result from vaccinating after infection and that improved immune response is achieved for most who do get vaccinated against the possibility of reinfection.  The recommendation is for all eligible adults to vaccinate, ASAP, in an attempt to significantly reduce community spread, illness and death or disability.  

#2Please vaccinate at your earliest opportunity.  

#3.... beat this by working together to slow the spread of the virus.  Not by finding excuses not to. 

#1 I showed you data from the same source regarding the extremely low incidence of reinfection rate. Help me understand why that should be disregarded and someone should take a vaccine anyway if statistics don't show reinfected people are not experiencing the same consequences as the naive and unvaccinated without using the uncertain and unproven (might,maybe)The vaccine  has proven safe for the vast majority of people (not everybody) SO FAR.

#2 people in this thread keep telling me what I should do not knowing me and my medical history. I never said I did or didn't have the virus or get vaccinated.  Let's pretend I didn't vaccinate, followed your recommendation, and had anaphylaxis. Are you going to pay for my admission and other bills? If not what would your response be if I told you I followed your suggestion and that happened?

#3 I know you're trying to help. You mean well, I agree with you on many things.  When you accuse people of making"excuses" to not take it,  you contribute towards the people not vaccinating and display insensitivity towards the perceptions of others.  Disagree as you may but I hope you stop labeling people's intentions without fully understanding them. 

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9 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

#1 I showed you data from the same source regarding the extremely low incidence of reinfection rate. Help me understand why that should be disregarded and someone should take a vaccine anyway if statistics don't show reinfected people are not experiencing the same consequences as the naive and unvaccinated without using the uncertain and unproven (might,maybe)The vaccine  has proven safe for the vast majority of people (not everybody) SO FAR.

#2 people in this thread keep telling me what I should do not knowing me and my medical history. I never said I did or didn't have the virus or get vaccinated.  Let's pretend I didn't vaccinate, followed your recommendation, and had anaphylaxis. Are you going to pay for my admission and other bills? If not what would your response be if I told you I followed your suggestion and that happened?

#3 I know you're trying to help. You mean well, I agree with you on many things.  When you accuse people of making"excuses" to not take it,  you contribute towards the people not vaccinating and display insensitivity towards the perceptions of others.  Disagree as you may but I hope you stop labeling people's intentions without fully understanding them. 

#1 Lies, damn lies & statistics. 

#2 I’d say somebody has to hit the lottery. I think the odds might be about the same. 

#3 But you essentially are making excuses to not get vaccinated.

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25 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I know you're trying to help. You mean well, I agree with you on many things.  When you accuse people of making"excuses" to not take it,  you contribute towards the people not vaccinating and display insensitivity towards the perceptions of others.  Disagree as you may but I hope you stop labeling people's intentions without fully understanding them

They are excuses.  There are no valid reasons to avoid vaccination after infection.  The expert opinion is pretty unified behind the recommendation that all eligible adults should vaccinate ASAP to slow spread of virus and disease.  

People choosing not to vaccinate because of absence of evidence are responsible for their own behaviors and choices, not me or anyone else. I contribute to people feeling cognitive dissonance because they are not providing reasonable rationale for not vaccinating while our country is struggling with a dangerous pandemic. 

You are displaying insensitivity to the reality that unvaccinated individuals represent greater risk for further spread of virus and disease, particularly when they work in healthcare.  I hope you stop making excuses for not vaccinating and get vaccinated. 

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22 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

#1 Lies, damn lies & statistics. 

#2 I’d say somebody has to hit the lottery. I think the odds might be about the same. 

#3 But you essentially are making excuses to not get vaccinated.

1.If you think the CDC is lying that's on you.  I didn't tell them to make that report.  

2. So are you willing to pay the bills for the ones that had concerns and "hit the lottery"? No, you're not. 

3. You don't know me to speak on behalf of my feelings or my vaccination status.  This is the problem with many of you in favor of everyone vaccinating. You're very dismissive of peoples concerns,  speak as if  any science and evidence provided that suggests why they may not want or need (despite blanket statements to get it anyway) is irrelevant.  When people don't see it you're way you accuse them of being "antivaxxers" or "making excuses".  This isn't North Korea. People can question things have doubts, have concerns, and desire more information before putting a new drug in their body.  

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26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 

You are displaying insensitivity to the reality that unvaccinated individuals represent greater risk for further spread of virus and disease, particularly when they work in healthcare.  I hope you stop making excuses for not vaccinating and get vaccinated. 

I never said if I had or had not been vaccinated. You don't know me or my medical history to blindly offer medical advice.

So baloney let's pretend I didn't get the vaccine.  And because you were so insistent about it, I went ahead and did it.  we all agree so far, the vaccine is safe for the vast majority of people SO FAR. Then it turns out I was among the rare few who had an anaphylactic reaction to it.  Are you paying for my admission and other bills? YES OR NO?

Don't side step the question with more vaccination arguments I want to know... YES OR NO

 

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2 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I never said if I had or had not been vaccinated. You don't know me or my medical history to blindly offer medical advice.

So baloney let's pretend I didn't get the vaccine.  And because you were so insistent about it, I went ahead and did it.  we all agree so far, the vaccine is safe for the vast majority of people SO FAR. Then it turns out I was among the rare few who had an anaphylactic reaction to it.  Are you paying for my admission and other bills? YES OR NO?

Don't side step the question with more vaccination arguments I want to know... YES OR NO

 

I learned my lesson.  I'm not answering your hypothetical question because, in my view, it's disingenuous.  

You and I both know that the vaccines are safe and effective.  Of the two of us, I'm the one echoing the recommendations that everyone vaccinate, asap, in the absence of some true contraindications.  You sympathize with and repeat excuses not to vaccinate and fabricate unlikely scenarios to justify concern. 

I'm under no obligation to play stupid games with you over deadly serious issues. 

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2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

I'm not a doctor so I don't go around telling people what drugs they should or should not take.  All drugs come with risks. Anyone with doubt should consult a provider to learn about them respective to their personal medical history. That's my rationale.

We talked about this Turkey. Vaccines are under nursing scope of practice. That’s why we have flu clinics. Covid clinics. Etc. You should have learned in nursing school that vaccines do not require an order. If your state has restrictions then it also has a workaround with a standing order. Public health emergencies do not require individual consultations with pcps for a life saving vaccine. We have approx 210,000 primary care physicians and approx 332,000,000 people in the US. What you are suggesting is an absurdity.

Just as the occasional vaccinated individual gets Covid and gets seriously ill or dies, so do the occasional past infected. It looks like having Covid disease may not provide lifelong immunity like some illnesses do.

 

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Got my 2nd Moderna shot today.  I've had Covid twice in January 2021 and July 2020.  I don't expect any s/e as I had very mild symptoms both times I had the virus.

Had another patient I saw recently die of Covid.  Only 37 years old.  I am sure there are a lot more as I saw 1151 patients last month 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I learned my lesson.  I'm not answering your hypothetical question because, in my view, it's disingenuous.  

You and I both know that the vaccines are safe and effective.  Of the two of us, I'm the one echoing the recommendations that everyone vaccinate, asap, in the absence of some true contraindications.  You sympathize with and repeat excuses not to vaccinate and fabricate unlikely scenarios to justify concern. 

I'm under no obligation to play stupid games with you over deadly serious issues. 

I didn't think so. Simple question.  You won't answer it. 

The answer is no. You wouldn't.  Its easy to sit there behind a keyboard telling people what to do without taking any responsibility for it.

Deuces!

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