Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

[jive turkey]

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, HJH50 said:

What do you mean by "the vaccine does not kill you, but Covid does?" Per VAERS reporting, in one year COVID vaccines have killed 6,506 people. Of ALL vaccine deaths since 1990 (of which there are 17,132 from 190 vaccine types), COVID vaccines account for 37.97% of all vaccine-related deaths. Moreover, the percent of permanent disability events from COVID vaccines accounts for 28.9% of ALL permanent disabilities from vaccinations. So, forgive me if I am concerned about putting something in my body that has a higher percentage of death and permanent disability than all other vaccinations combined.

So you are scared because you don't understand what VAERS represents. Would you like to be reassured with facts and evidence or did you just comes here to share your unfounded and emotional fears of safe and effective vaccines?

[SmilingBluEyes]

2 hours ago, HJH50 said:

What do you mean by "the vaccine does not kill you, but Covid does?" Per VAERS reporting, in one year COVID vaccines have killed 6,506 people. Of ALL vaccine deaths since 1990 (of which there are 17,132 from 190 vaccine types), COVID vaccines account for 37.97% of all vaccine-related deaths. Moreover, the percent of permanent disability events from COVID vaccines accounts for 28.9% of ALL permanent disabilities from vaccinations. So, forgive me if I am concerned about putting something in my body that has a higher percentage of death and permanent disability than all other vaccinations combined.

Citation/article please? Thank you.

[HJH50]

 

All I am saying is that I am legitimately concerned. I know I will have to get the vaccine but when I look at data like this, it scares the hell out of me. If you have better numbers or more valid resources, I would love to see it. Please and thank you!  

[macawake, MSN]

On 8/17/2021 at 4:32 PM, HJH50 said:

 

All I am saying is that I am legitimately concerned. I know I will have to get the vaccine but when I look at data like this, it scares the hell out of me. If you have better numbers or more valid resources, I would love to see it. Please and thank you!  

Hi there!

Did you read the caveats? Among other things it says ”Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.”

The fact that there have been many more reports than normal isn’t strange and doesn’t in itself indicate that there is cause for concern. I’d go as far as to say that a large number of reports were expected, considering the current situation.

When in our lifetimes have we ever had a pandemic of this size that has had a similar impact on all our lives? The answer is never, unless we’re older than 100 years. 

When was the last time the U.S. administered more than 357 MILLION doses of a vaccine against a single disease in eight months time? When was the last time the world vaccinated close to 5 BILLION doses against a single virus in that same timeframe?

When was the last time a vaccine received such constant attention on the news, on social media, everywhere? Never. 

When was the last time a vaccine was targeted by such a massive disinformation campaign? Again, never.

Considering all this, I’m actually surprised that there aren’t more reports made to VAERS.

Reports submitted to VAERS are raw data. They have not been verified and analyzed. Anyone can report anything. A person could be run over by a car two days after they got vaccinated and report multi-organ trauma and broken bones as a suspected vaccine side effect. A person who has had two myocardial infarctions and a triple bypass surgery, can report their third MI that they got a week after the vaccine as a side effect.

Put another way, just because something happens to us on a Thursday, doesn’t mean that the thing we did on Monday caused it. It’s easy for us to leap to that conclusion, especially if we’ve spent a lot of time on social media, or talking to family and friends, been fed information that might not be truthful, and we might even be a bit apprehensive about that Monday thing. And then.. BAM! Something bad happens on Thursday. Confirmation bias will get us every time. As I said, I am surprised that there aren’t even more reports made. Think about it, more than 357 millions doses administered in the U.S. so far. That number is so big, that it’s actually a bit hard to wrap our heads around.

VAERS is a great tool once the reports have been verified and analyzed, but until then the numbers in themselves are quite useless to you and I. 

You have to remember that heart attacks, strokes, and thromboembolic events happen all the time, whether people have been recently vaccinated, or not. It becomes interesting, when abnormal patterns are detected. It could be that a medical event is suddenly more common than usual, or starts to affect an age group that doesn’t normally have that event very often, etc. All medical events and illnesses have a background incidence. X amount of myocardial infarctions per year, Y amount of strokes. That’s natural and expected. 

I got vaccinated in January and February, at a time where we had much less data available than we have now. I wasn’t concerned at that time, but I made sure to read the phase 3 trial data before I received my first dose. I trust the regulatory agencies to do their job, but I find the details interesting. Now more than seven months after my first dose, we have amassed a huge amount of safety data and I feel confident that vaccinating is a very good decision.
 

You asked for information that can help you feel less concerned. This is a clip that I’ve linked to previously. It’s not a peer-reviewed publication, but it is a doctor who talks about vaccine benefits and risks, and he does include references that support the numbers he reports. I think it’s pretty good and easy to digest. Hope it helps!

 

 

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[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, HJH50 said:

All I am saying is that I am legitimately concerned. I know I will have to get the vaccine but when I look at data like this, it scares the hell out of me. If you have better numbers or more valid resources, I would love to see it. Please and thank you!  

And all I am saying is that you are afraid because you don't understand what VAERS represents.  Would you like to be reassured with facts and expert analysis? The vaccines are safe and effective.  All eligible adults should vaccinate ASAP. 

The long view on COVID-19 vaccine safety and efficacy

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“When you vaccinate everyone, all the bad things that happen to people will happen after they get a vaccine,” Ellenberg says. “Some of those events are going to happen in reasonably close time to the vaccine, and those people are going to suspect that the vaccine caused it, even if you can show mathematically that the number of people who had this event in this period of time after getting vaccinated is no more than expected.”

The most challenging fear to quell relates to long-term effects of the vaccines, years or even decades down the line. Based on what we know about mechanisms of vaccine action and the fact that, for other vaccines, such delayed side effects have not materialized, there’s little expectation of long-term effects—even for the newer mRNA vaccines.

As these vaccines come up for regular FDA approval and beyond, it’s something all parties involved will continue to study, alongside the crucial question of how long their protection lasts.

 

[BostonFNP, APRN]

48 minutes ago, HJH50 said:

All I am saying is that I am legitimately concerned. I know I will have to get the vaccine but when I look at data like this, it scares the hell out of me. If you have better numbers or more valid resources, I would love to see it. Please and thank you!  

What exactly are you concerned about? If we take the reports from the VAERS that you shared, summed all the vaccines together, we'd end up with 6,506 events in 357 million doses given. Meanwhile, 622,000 have died from covid out of 328 million in the US. So 18 our of a million VAERS events (most of which have nothing to do with the vaccine in the end) vs 1896 deaths per million for the disease.

[HJH50]

I appreciate the perspectives! Thank you for sharing - I do feel a bit better now.

[SmilingBluEyes]

2 hours ago, HJH50 said:

All I am saying is that I am legitimately concerned. I know I will have to get the vaccine but when I look at data like this, it scares the hell out of me. If you have better numbers or more valid resources, I would love to see it. Please and thank you!  

I am sorry but I can't read that. What kind of events are being reported? Major? Minor? what are they? Thanks.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

27 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

What exactly are you concerned about? If we take the reports from the VAERS that you shared, summed all the vaccines together, we'd end up with 6,506 events in 357 million doses given. Meanwhile, 622,000 have died from covid out of 328 million in the US. So 18 our of a million VAERS events (most of which have nothing to do with the vaccine in the end) vs 1896 deaths per million for the disease.

And, remember, that out of the 6.506 events reported doesn't mean that anyone actually died from the vaccine.  I can report that my big toe ached for two days after I had the jab and it would be included.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

22 hours ago, jive turkey said:

The primary concerns I've shared with others has to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected. 

Recent study showed that in people previously infected with covid and remained unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to be re-infected compared to those that had been previously infected and then had been vaccinated. 

 

[macawake, MSN]

24 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I am sorry but I can't read that. What kind of events are being reported? Major? Minor? what are they? Thanks.

Event category: Death

Third line below the word ”Total” at the bottom of the chart. Really tiny print when viewed on a small screen.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

1 minute ago, macawake said:

Event category: Death

I'm only seeing an "events" category but do not see "deaths."  The print is very tiny and blurred.  And, just as an aside, even if "deaths were reported, they do not have to have any link with the vaccine.  A lot of these were elderly people who had plenty of other reasons to die.