The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
You said you loathed MAGA's. I believe you said the intensity with which you loathe them scares you at times.
According to the definitions that have been offered, including your own, that includes me.
No splaining needed.
It was someone else who compared MAGAs to Nazi's.
I'm Spartacus. Nazi's ruled by fear. You do not see that now? I'm pretty sure that Stephen Miller takes his cues from Mein Kampf. I'm not aware of any other first world country that has spawned this type of regime that is adhered to the use of fear and violence.
This was a psychiatric advanced practice nurse. I immediately thought about the several members who have come and gone in these threads who have crowed about their very lucrative psychiatric practices in the political threads talking about Trump.
What interesting coincidences. It's like the coincidence that the people who were worried about a liberal child sex ring in a pizza parlor elected a guy who for years supplied an infamous child sex trafficker with access to pretty young girls at his proprties and pageants. The American culture is weird. I think it's the focus on money and power and appearances here. Maybe we value power and wealth more than we value integrity, morals or values. That certainly seems to be true of politics when the current political leadership has no integrity, morals or values and that's OK with the conservative voters.
Yes! I remember those people. One of them wanted to buy a manufactured house (he posted a picture) and live at the end of a dirt road in a very remote area in a rural state and wanted to charge everyone from his house. I always doubted that that kind of remote location even provided internet service. But more than one was lured by the prospect of earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by sitting at home in front of their computer "treating" psych patients. Snort.
I'm wondering if you are talking about the government subsidizing things like vaccines or insulin. I'm interested in your thoughts.
First, my apologies for taking so long to get back online. I had a run-in with multiple issues (life) -Long story short, I make a lousy patient.
Yes and no, to your answer. I'm thinking on the global market, not just our own (USA), but prices are artificial in that when you see governments in other countries heavily subsidize their meds (and other services), people look at that and say "wow, it costs so much less over there" but does it really? Nobody counts what the government (taxpayer) is shoveling into the pile because this is not shown. Ever.
But by the same token, I believe (I have no proof other than what passes for common sense) our own take advantage of us by giving a break in other countries (due in large part to contractual pricing for bulk purchases or the right to compete -this also has to do with tariffs and other international agreements that are beyond the rest of us and out of our control) that we as Americans do not receive. Another example would be how insurance companies do not pay the same price that the individual would pay if we came to pay with cash-in-hand. This is fact.
To use Medicare (taxpayer subsidized, but also funded by many recipients who participated while working) as an example, it will only pay a certain amount for goods and services (drugs in this case) period, and it is illegal to charge beyond in many instances. Medicaid is even worse about this -and the laws are set up so that if you accept one such government based plan, you must accept other certain ones (so the company accepts the lower-paying one as a loss-leader to allow them to pay the better paying one). Who makes the difference? Those of us with private plans, and the taxpayer. These things were explained during the bachelor's program for BSN. Much aspirin was consumed. Of course it is all far more complicated than any post could cover, and my post is a horribly inadequate oversimplification.
Cruelty is a feature of right wing extremism. In another life time Jews were the victims of right wing cruelty at the hands of European white Christians. As a nation they've elected to treat another ethnic group with the same kind of cruel disregard their ancestors received.
So the socialists who were the Nazis (national socialist party) and communism in general, were all right-wingers? Mighty nice wide brush you paint with there. I expected better.
I'd say that cruelty is a HUMAN characteristic, and has been around as long as there are humans. History itself is replete with examples of this. Even in our own country right now, I have hardly seen any examples of benevolent left-wing extremists. Can't think of any. But you seem pretty willing to focus on one side and give the other a pass. The jews do seem to focus on the Holocaust, and it was a pretty horrible event (and yes, I have toured the first camp that was the blueprint for them all, Dachau. Thing is, while the Jews were the primary focus, they were by far not the only ones to end up being led to the slaughter.
I thought I had seen a lot of what people could do to each other, but until I went to that camp and toured it, I realized how little I'd seen.
So the socialists who were the Nazis (national socialist party) and communism in general, were all right-wingers? Mighty nice wide brush you paint with there. I expected better.
I'd say that cruelty is a HUMAN characteristic, and has been around as long as there are humans. History itself is replete with examples of this. Even in our own country right now, I have hardly seen any examples of benevolent left-wing extremists. Can't think of any. But you seem pretty willing to focus on one side and give the other a pass. The jews do seem to focus on the Holocaust, and it was a pretty horrible event (and yes, I have toured the first camp that was the blueprint for them all, Dachau. Thing is, while the Jews were the primary focus, they were by far not the only ones to end up being led to the slaughter.
I thought I had seen a lot of what people could do to each other, but until I went to that camp and toured it, I realized how little I'd seen.
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Brewingbiker said:
So the socialists who were the Nazis (national socialist party) and communism in general, were all right-wingers? Mighty nice wide brush you paint with there. I expected better.
I'd say that cruelty is a HUMAN characteristic, and has been around as long as there are humans. History itself is replete with examples of this. Even in our own country right now, I have hardly seen any examples of benevolent left-wing extremists. Can't think of any. But you seem pretty willing to focus on one side and give the other a pass. The jews do seem to focus on the Holocaust, and it was a pretty horrible event (and yes, I have toured the first camp that was the blueprint for them all, Dachau. Thing is, while the Jews were the primary focus, they were by far not the only ones to end up being led to the slaughter.
I thought I had seen a lot of what people could do to each other, but until I went to that camp and toured it, I realized how little I'd seen.
The Nazis were far right, white nationalist extremists no matter the words they used to deceive the people. The Jewish people were victimized in that regime.
Now the Jewish people have their own state and their own right wing extremist government. They also have a group of innocent people that they are currently starving in retribution.
While cruelty is a human characteristic, it isn't that common. Most people develop their empathy and compassion as they socialize.
Cruelty is a found more often among right wing extremists and other authoritarian personalities than in the general population. Cruelty is also a feature of some mental illness, most notably narcissistic personality disorder.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Brewingbiker said:
First, my apologies for taking so long to get back online. I had a run-in with multiple issues (life) -Long story short, I make a lousy patient.
Yes and no, to your answer. I'm thinking on the global market, not just our own (USA), but prices are artificial in that when you see governments in other countries heavily subsidize their meds (and other services), people look at that and say "wow, it costs so much less over there" but does it really? Nobody counts what the government (taxpayer) is shoveling into the pile because this is not shown. Ever.
But by the same token, I believe (I have no proof other than what passes for common sense) our own take advantage of us by giving a break in other countries (due in large part to contractual pricing for bulk purchases or the right to compete -this also has to do with tariffs and other international agreements that are beyond the rest of us and out of our control) that we as Americans do not receive. Another example would be how insurance companies do not pay the same price that the individual would pay if we came to pay with cash-in-hand. This is fact.
To use Medicare (taxpayer subsidized, but also funded by many recipients who participated while working) as an example, it will only pay a certain amount for goods and services (drugs in this case) period, and it is illegal to charge beyond in many instances. Medicaid is even worse about this -and the laws are set up so that if you accept one such government based plan, you must accept other certain ones (so the company accepts the lower-paying one as a loss-leader to allow them to pay the better paying one). Who makes the difference? Those of us with private plans, and the taxpayer. These things were explained during the bachelor's program for BSN. Much aspirin was consumed. Of course it is all far more complicated than any post could cover, and my post is a horribly inadequate oversimplification.
The pharmaceutical companies aren't giving other countries a break, they are gouging us.
I do remember my dislike and loathing of certain people, like people in the Trump administration and the man himself scares me.
I don't remember saying that about MAGA in general.
You're spinning so I can fit into your agenda of what a Trump hater is. No splaining to do.
Quotes from you:
"As you know at least three times I've been on the street protesting Trump and MAGA. The intensity of my loathing of them all scares me sometimes. "
That was one of the quotes that spurned me onto ask what makes a person a MAGA.
You offered this definition:
"For me it's relatively simple that MAGA as a noun is someone that believes supports and strives to make changes towards the MAGA (adjective) agenda."
Sounds to me that you loathe anyone who supports anything Trump is doing.
I don't see how that is spin. So, not sure why you're dizzy.
First, my apologies for taking so long to get back online. I had a run-in with multiple issues (life) -Long story short, I make a lousy patient.
Yes and no, to your answer. I'm thinking on the global market, not just our own (USA), but prices are artificial in that when you see governments in other countries heavily subsidize their meds (and other services), people look at that and say "wow, it costs so much less over there" but does it really? Nobody counts what the government (taxpayer) is shoveling into the pile because this is not shown. Ever.
But by the same token, I believe (I have no proof other than what passes for common sense) our own take advantage of us by giving a break in other countries (due in large part to contractual pricing for bulk purchases or the right to compete -this also has to do with tariffs and other international agreements that are beyond the rest of us and out of our control) that we as Americans do not receive. Another example would be how insurance companies do not pay the same price that the individual would pay if we came to pay with cash-in-hand. This is fact.
To use Medicare (taxpayer subsidized, but also funded by many recipients who participated while working) as an example, it will only pay a certain amount for goods and services (drugs in this case) period, and it is illegal to charge beyond in many instances. Medicaid is even worse about this -and the laws are set up so that if you accept one such government based plan, you must accept other certain ones (so the company accepts the lower-paying one as a loss-leader to allow them to pay the better paying one). Who makes the difference? Those of us with private plans, and the taxpayer. These things were explained during the bachelor's program for BSN. Much aspirin was consumed. Of course it is all far more complicated than any post could cover, and my post is a horribly inadequate oversimplification.
I'm finding it difficult to understand what you're talking about. So far I question pretty much everything I've been able to figure out so far.
You're right that the global drug trade is incredibly complex, especially when you factor in counterfeiting and diversion. However, I believe you mis-stated the subsidy situation. US pharmaceutical companies are heavily subsidized by taxpayers and have been for decades. So, I question the assumption that government subsidies contribute much to the price difference between USA and Europe. It's a whole 'nother thread, though. As is the subject of Medicare/Medicaid.
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I never called you a MAGA that I can remember.
I do remember my dislike and loathing of certain people, like people in the Trump administration and the man himself scares me.
I don't remember saying that about MAGA in general.
You're spinning so I can fit into your agenda of what a Trump hater is. No splaining to do.