The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
If people want to use the term to describe what kind of people the world would be better without, its important to know who exactly they're talking about.
It's important to understand the level of hate some have toward others.
Seems like a broad definition. I support some but not all things on the "MAGA agenda". And most if not all of those things aren't any different than what typical conservative wants. Enforce immigration law, against over-taxation and over-regulations would be examples.
Seems a bit radical that some would loathe or think the world would better off without those kinda people...
IMO, it's simply a term Trump-haters have fostered a negative connotation for and now use to lazily lump every Trump supporter into one type of person and to which they can attribute to every negative Trump narrative.
Agree there doesn't seem to be any consensus on what MAGA means or identifying with the MAGA movement means.
Also agree that Trump-haters use it negatively and lump all republicans as MAGA.
Still to me being a MAGA supporter is a bit different than the conservative republican you describe. But I agree with TMG that there is no need to get off track with semantics.
Some polls of Republicans that self-identify as MAGA show them a minority but rising and some show it's plateaued.
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Thirty-six percent of registered voters identified themselves as MAGA supporters in the March NBC News poll. It's a significant increase from past NBC News polling — up from 23% of respondents in a merged sample of all of NBC News' polling across 2023 and 27% of respondents in a merged sample of NBC News' 2024 polling.
The overall share is powered by the 71% of Republicans who now call themselves MAGA supporters.
Agree there doesn't seem to be any consensus on what MAGA means or identifying with the MAGA movement means.
Also agree that Trump-haters use it negatively and lump all republicans as MAGA.
Still to me being a MAGA supporter is a bit different than the conservative republican you describe. But I agree with TMG that there is no need to get off track with semantics.
Not off track. This started with a school board member publicly stating one less MAGA in the world is a good thing. A member here said it wasn't wrong of her to say that since it's true. Another member compared MAGAs to Nazi's. And, you said you loathe them.
Seems reasonable to want to know who exactly they mean when they say that.
According to your definition, I am a MAGA. I'm pretty much a Nazi and the world would be better off without me, and you find me loathsome.
Sorry you find that a distraction from all the other serious, balanced, and respectful discussion going on here.
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First, "magadonian" is trump's own name for his followers.
Second, what do you think you're doing when you vote?
Lots of people think they are just choosing between two evils. They believe that they choose the lesser evil. The party that is forwarding unqualified and corrupt candidates is usually the party also saying that the elections are choices between 2 evils.
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Fascism isn't popular, in general. That's part of the reason that fascists use dishonesty to get people to elevate them in democracies. If we call fascism by another name, it's still fascism. Only a few people in the USA want to openly associate themselves with fascists and fascism, but there are some. Most of those associating themselves with the fascists do not embrace that label and push against it. They don't want to be considered fascists. MAGA is a fascist movement.
Just like in 1930s Germany, there are lots of people who chose the right wing extremist government but they don't really want to be associated with everything that comes with that right wing extremism. They just went along because it would be OK for them. In Germany they were called "mitläufer". In the Bible people who didn't stand up for what is right and good were chastised and called "lukewarm" for compromisingtheir values.
Since MAGA is currently representing some pretty bad people and thinking and policy it's not surprising that there are Trump supporters who really want to be seen as seperate from MAGA while still supporting the MAGA leadership. It's hard work to get that separation because there are so very many people like Hulk Hogan and Donald Trump and Matt Gaetz that represent the moral rot at the top of that ideological pile in such splashy and public ways.
"Take their leadership from Trump"? Interesting. I would contend that a vast majority of us don't take our leadership from any politician.
I guess it's somewhat comforting that when such awful things are said about "magadonians", at least your speaking of a small group of people.
Again, not a term I use so why would I define it?
I disagree. MAGA's need to be led. After all, they support loons like RFK. Lauren Boebert, James Comey. who I just heard today attempting to explain his latest "investigation " in which he will come up empty again. This nuttiness is on our tax dollars. Now that RFK has defended RNA research dollars, I'd love to hear him speak about the studies he cites and have a public debate with researchers and then ser how he reacts to the fact that RNA exists in all living cells. This is just MAGA nonsense but their followers are trained to be the the willing pawns of a dictatorial idiot. It reminds me of people carrying big signs of Hussein in Iraq who worship the guy who's stealing from them. Trump University?
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If people want to use the term to describe what kind of people the world would be better without, its important to know who exactly they're talking about.
It's important to understand the level of hate some have toward others.