This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Brewingbiker said:

Not at all. I have never equated the two -they are not the same, not even the same category (nazis are a party and movement, communism is a governing form. I was saying that neither of those two things were right-wing, and both of them were responsible for many millions of people suffering and dying. This is historical fact. This was in response to toomuchbaloney espousing his obvious hatred for the 'right wing' but seemingly being oblivious of what (evidently) his idea of who is 'good' in the world is.  Sorry, but I was just making the point (in the whole post) that HUMANS are capable of great harm and evil, just as humans can be capable of great acts of kindness. One size does not fit all.

It is fortunate that I didn't actually offer up hatred for the right wing, isn't it.  While you are welcome to mischaracterize what is written for all to read, I won't ignore that bad faith in the threads.  

I invite you to make a case that will convince me or anyone not leaning left that fascists are good or that right wing extremism is good. 

You made the broad point that humans can be cruel.  I narrowed that overly broad description down to a much more workable and identifiable subset of humanity who dependably and frequently exhibit cruel behavior.  You can ignore that if you prefer but that only demonstrates that you will ignore information to persist in sharing your thinking. 

 

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Brewingbiker said:

OK, the far fight Nazi party that was the national socialist party that took over via fear. Got it. Guess the democrats were right-wing when they formed the Klan as well. Nevermind all the hate and threats that seem to come from the ultra-left in our own country right now, geared at anyone who does not toe the party line.

But self-deception is also a human trait. I'm not a psych major or minor. I dislike psych as a rule. The extreme lefties talk a game at inclusion while excluding everyone who doesn't walk lock-step. Even their own major supporters if they suddenly break with them on one point or other. I guess I asked for it all when I came into a political thread -my own fault. I'm as conservative as they come -usually comes from working for everything you get, and trying to keep it (your mileage may vary). I have great friends who are on the other side of the spectrum, we just don't talk politics (my wife is not conservative, and we have been married for over two decades and climbing -just no politics 🙂 ). Oh well. I think I'll tip my hat and bow out. This is time I should be on the Harley.

Yes. The democrats who formed the Klan were conservative Christians, not liberals or progressives.  Those racist conservative Christians later changed parties to the republican party but the ideology didn't change.  They remain closely affiliated with republican politics to this day.  The klan endorsed Trump. 

Yes, you should probably escape now because I know you can't support your partisan beliefs with actual facts.  It is interesting that you don't seem to know that right wing extremists are in control of the federal government but you seem to know lots about leftist extremists who are in control of nothing.  That must be what your preferred media is using to distract you from the fascism and corruption of the party currently protecting pedophiles and sex traffickers.  

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Tweety said:

Florida's DOGE is coming to the "Dem-run city" of Saint Petersburg to audit.  

During covid there were many clashes between St. Pete and DeSantis.  

It will be interesting because St. Pete is DEI has liaisons to various communities including and LGBT liaison.  They also help fund the annual MLK parade and participate in Pride (one of the largest in the Southeast).  

Stay tuned.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/st-petersburg/2025/08/04/doge-st-petersburg-audit-diversity-resiliency-homeless-spending/

Trump meeting Putin next week.  While he didn't end the war in 24 hours (I don't think any reasonable person thought he would) this would be a big deal if the US could broker an end.

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/08/nx-s1-5347716/trump-putin-meeting

Would Trump sell off any American interests to broker a peace treaty?  Look at how he behaved to Zelensky at the WH.  I don't think he has the mental capacity to pull this off.  Someone should call a diplomat up from central casting because Trump is a dead man walking, as far as Putin is concerned.

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subee said:

Would Trump sell off any American interests to broker a peace treaty?  Look at how he behaved to Zelensky at the WH.  I don't think he has the mental capacity to pull this off.  Someone should call a diplomat up from central casting because Trump is a dead man walking, as far as Putin is concerned.

Trump is transactional. He is also under Putin's thumb.  Just think back to Helsinki 2018. Do we all recall how Trump came out of that secret meeting head down, like a corrected child? His body language was textbook. Then Trump told the world how wonderful Vlad was and how Trump believed what Putin said and not what all of the intelligence analysts said.  

Some people are concerned that Putin might promise Trump that Nobel Peace prize nomination, promise to stop bombing and attacking Ukraine and asking for Alaska back in return.  

The question should definitely be what does Putin want from Trump.  

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Brewingbiker said:

If they are not charging the other countries the same as they are charging us, they are giving them a break. That is pretty much the definition of a break. But as I do not work in the pharmaceutical industry, I really don't know if they charge differently or if it is a case of their government subsidizing and fixing the price they will pay for the drug(s). OR if as you seem bent on believing, they just target Americans and say they are going to overcharge Americans, period. I do know that most of our meds are not made in the US. That in itself is a major problem.

The pharma industry spent over $16 billiion last year in their bribes to politicians.  The Deseret News reported in their investigation that the average check to 100 senators was $10,000.  In 2024, it is estimated that they earned $880.4  BILLIION dollars.  Imagine that the health insurance industry just disappeared and were only used for their technical expertise in billing and collecting.  We are the zebra here.  Every other first world on the planet has figured out that it's easier and more rewarding for providers and patients with a plan that isn't set up to be byzantine, expensive, unfair and corruptible.   They are the horses. I went to Iceland and toured two hospitals with my nurse-anesthetist friend who lived there.  They were more patient friendly and nurse friendly (they had to send all the new polyester uniforms back in exchange for cotton!).  My friend was in a 35% income tax bracket as was I in the US.  For her 35%, she received a free college education (most highly educated country in the world), free health care, and nursing home care.  Of course, it's Iceland and they are agreeable.  When a government intentionally seeds discord among it's citizens, it doesn't allow for any agreements to be made.  Why are we dying on this hill?

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toomuchbaloney said:

Trump is transactional. He is also under Putin's thumb.  Just think back to Helsinki 2018. Do we all recall how Trump came out of that secret meeting head down, like a corrected child? His body language was textbook. Then Trump told the world how wonderful Vlad was and how Trump believed what Putin said and not what all of the intelligence analysts said.  

Some people are concerned that Putin might promise Trump that Nobel Peace prize nomination, promise to stop bombing and attacking Ukraine and asking for Alaska back in return.  

The question should definitely be what does Putin want from Trump.  

You bet.  It won't be a good deal for America.  Trump was already mentally incapitated if he thought a former KGB killer was going to be an agreeable sparring partner.

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