I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Beerman said:
Skirted the question. I wanted to know what the jury actually heard in court about alleged crimes.
NYCourts.gov has each days court transcript posted nightly: People v Donald J. Trump so you can follow along what the jury heard in court -- and Fox, CNN, MSNBC had their staff report testimony with running chyron during daytime broadcast so viewers could understand case. Since I love to read, would zip thru NY court posted transcript periodically.
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Beerman said:
Today might be a big fund raising day for Trump.
"I just donated $300k to Trump. I'm prepared to lose friends. Here's why," Sequoia founder Shaun Maguire wrote in an extended post on X.
"Back in 2016 I had drunk the media Kool-Aid and was scared out of my mind about Trump. As such I donated to Hilary Clinton's campaign and voted for her. By 2020 I was disillusioned and didn't vote – I didn't like either option. Now, in 2024, I believe this is one of the most important elections of my lifetime, and I'm supporting Trump," he added"
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Beerman said:
Trump failed to prove himself innocent, and that's why he lost. That isn't how the criminal justice system is supposed to work
"The single biggest problem that the defence had in this case,” said Mitchell Epner, a New York civil litigator, "was that Donald Trump was their client.”
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"Jed Sugarman, a professor at Boston University School of Law who said he identifies as politically progressive, thought the election fraud aspect was exaggerated for political effect, and that the underlying crimes warranting a felony charge were never clarified.
Prosecutors' victory, he believed, came down to bringing the case in a liberal-leaning jurisdiction and selecting a favourable jury.
Trump failed to produce any defense which created reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors after they'd seen and heard the evidence/testimony which demonstrated criminal conduct. That's why he lost. That's exactly how our system works. Trump had a fair trial.
Trump shouldn't commit crimes in jurisdictions which he believes might treat him unfavorably. If he would just limit his crime-y activities to Judge Cannon's jurisdiction he'd probably be fine.
No matter, we'll learn soon what team Trump will use for the grounds to appeal the verdict. It didn't seem like the judge gave them many options, he was pretty careful and professional.
NYCourts.gov has each days court transcript posted nightly: People v Donald J. Trump so you can follow along what the jury heard in court -- and Fox, CNN, MSNBC had their staff report testimony with running chyron during daytime broadcast so viewers could understand case. Since I love to read, would zip thru NY court posted transcript periodically.
Hope this info increases your understanding of NY laws and why found guilty on all 34 charges.
See several social media posts that $34.00 donated to Biden-Harris campaign.
Perfect! Since you've been reviewing transcripts daily, you can answer my question and help me understand.
To be found guilty of the crimes he was charged with, the jury had to find that he committed those acts to cover up a underlying crime.
Of course, he wasn't ever charged with any underlying crime and the judge made it easy for them by telling the jury they didn't have to agree on which crime. But, I digress.
In court, what testimony and evidence was presented to the jury about any underlying crimes? For example, tax fraud was one of the crimes on the menu for the jury to pick from. What testimony or evidence was presented in court to the jury that showed Trump committed tax fraud?
Trump failed to prove himself innocent, and that's why he lost. That isn't how the criminal justice system is supposed to work
That's not how criminal cases work. There was enough evidence to remove reasonable doubt. It's just so obvious Trump's fans are just too unreasonable themselves to see it.
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Beerman said:
Perfect! Since you've been reviewing transcripts daily, you can answer my question and help me understand.
To be found guilty of the crimes he was charged with, the jury had to find that he committed those acts to cover up a underlying crime.
Of course, he wasn't ever charged with any underlying crime and the judge made it easy for them by telling the jury they didn't have to agree on which crime. But, I digress.
In court, what testimony and evidence was presented to the jury about any underlying crimes? For example, tax fraud was one of the crimes on the menu for the jury to pick from. What testimony or evidence was presented in court to the jury that showed Trump committed tax fraud?
Hope Hicks provided some of that testimony, as did Mr Pecker. They told the jury that trump was trying to keep information away from voters.
It's really problematic for Trump and his devotees that there is so much appearance of corruption and corrupt intention as Trump made special arrangements to reimburse his attorney for paying to silence a woman that he'd cheated with nearly ten years before. It's problematic for Trump that the witness testimony gave the jurors the impression that Trump didn't care about her speaking out until he thought it might damage his candidacy after the Hollywood Access recording revealed his sexual predatory style.
Trump wasn't found guilty of tax fraud in this criminal case. He was found liable for civil tax fraud in a different NY court case earlier this year. He has a big fine to pay in that legal loss. Maybe that reality colored the opinion of the jurors about his willingness to commit tax fraud.
Again, you can read the transcripts of the testimony to satisfy your curiosity. Media outlets have published them for your convenience.
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This happened in Trump world today.
The fellow is either living in a delusion or he is completely corrupt. Maybe both. Either way, this bit of political oddity is filled with baloney and nonsense and craziness.
Republicans are anxious to elect a guy who thinks that we are encountering human languages that no one knows anything about. He's crazy and he's confident that his adoring fans don't actually care as long as he tells them the things they want to hear.
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Beerman said:
I asked specifically for the benefit of EVERYONE here (and I stated that in my question) might not be following closely what the jury heard about alleged crimes he was covering up. From what I have heard, not much was presented and yet the jury was to decide if he was indeed covering up a crime. Here is the most recent item on that I have read:
"Jed Sugarman, a professor at Boston University School of Law who said he identifies as politically progressive, thought the election fraud aspect was exaggerated for political effect, and that the underlying crimes warranting a felony charge were never clarified."
Now, it seems you don't know either what if anything the jury heard about alleged crimes.
Your words when another member tried to express his opinion on Biden's cognitive abilities:
"You should reflect your credentials and training in your assessments and remarks. Some things are more easily faked than others. "
The jury heard testimony that Trump was concealing the payment and misrepresenting the nature of the exchange because he was trying to influence an election by hiding information from the voters. They heard that while he was signing those reimbursement checks, Pecker and associates knew they were breaking federal campaign and election laws. What exactly is so mysterious to you?
Clearly you misunderstood the words that you quoted. None of that demands credentials in order to post opinions. It does say that our opinions and assessments should reflect our education and credentials.
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toomuchbaloney said:
This happened in Trump world today.
The fellow is either living in a delusion or he is completely corrupt. Maybe both. Either way, this bit of political oddity is filled with baloney and nonsense and craziness.
Republicans are anxious to elect a guy who thinks that we are encountering human languages that no one knows anything about. He's crazy and he's confident that his adoring fans don't actually care as long as he tells them the things they want to hear.
I think at this point, they're more likely unable to make sense of what they hear, or in the case of a typical rally, where there are lots of sensory distractions his more nonsensical utterances sound like gibberish. I suppose if they hear clapping coming from the other side of the tarmac, or towards the front they'll just go ahead and figure they should clap, too,.
I doubt they even ask others things like "what the hell was that Martian bit?" Hannibal Lecter--what?". I couldn't make sense of it myself I had to ask someone else. But maybe it's better that way. Calling migrants "rapists, murderers and animals they understand all too well.
The jury heard testimony that Trump was concealing the payment and misrepresenting the nature of the exchange because he was trying to influence an election by hiding information from the voters. They heard that while he was signing those reimbursement checks, Pecker and associates knew they were breaking federal campaign and election laws. What exactly is so mysterious to you?
Clearly you misunderstood the words that you quoted. None of that demands credentials in order to post opinions. It does say that our opinions and assessments should reflect our education and credentials.
Interesting it took so many tries to finally answer. Had to research it?
You're not exactly correct on that. And, anyway, if the two you mentioned knew they were breaking election laws doesnt mean Trumo knew, does it? No one testified that Trump knew.
To be kind, I'll give you half credit.
I specifically asked about the tax fraud he allegedly committed per the article you linked to. In theory, all twelve jurors could have decided that was the underlying crime, yet he hasn't been charged with that and nothing was presented in court to show he committed tax fraud.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, with some kind of reliable source.
I chuckled when I read that they consider the large donations to a convicted felon acts of courage.
We will see how this affects the poll numbers for both of them. it'll be quite interesting. Trump has been so far up in the polls today I wonder if his lead is growing
What is the general consensus here? Is Biden good for America or is Trump?
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NYCourts.gov has each days court transcript posted nightly: People v Donald J. Trump so you can follow along what the jury heard in court -- and Fox, CNN, MSNBC had their staff report testimony with running chyron during daytime broadcast so viewers could understand case. Since I love to read, would zip thru NY court posted transcript periodically.
Jury instructions and charges
Hope this info increases your understanding of NY laws and why found guilty on all 34 charges.
See several social media posts that $34.00 donated to Biden-Harris campaign.