I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
We will see how this affects the poll numbers for both of them. it'll be quite interesting. Trump has been so far up in the polls today I wonder if his lead is growing
What is the general consensus here? Is Biden good for America or is Trump?
A poll is not an election ... remember the phantom red wave of 2018.
If you want to know the "consensus", read the thread.
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Nursing33LAPC said:
We will see how this affects the poll numbers for both of them. it'll be quite interesting. Trump has been so far up in the polls today I wonder if his lead is growing
What is the general consensus here? Is Biden good for America or is Trump?
Why would anyone think that a twice impeached liar and convicted felon who chums around with dictators and tried to over throw an election after lying to them about a pandemic would be good for America when you could vote for a boring old guy who likes democracy and gets stuff done instead?
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Beerman said:
Interesting it took so many tries to finally answer. Had to research it?
You're not exactly correct on that. And, anyway, if the two you mentioned knew they were breaking election laws doesnt mean Trumo knew, does it? No one testified that Trump knew.
To be kind, I'll give you half credit.
I specifically asked about the tax fraud he allegedly committed per the article you linked to. In theory, all twelve jurors could have decided that was the underlying crime, yet he hasn't been charged with that and nothing was presented in court to show he committed tax fraud.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, with some kind of reliable source.
No. You are the one researching it on a social media site. What an odd projection.
If Trump is ignorant that he's breaking a law does that mean he's not guilty of breaking the law? Is that how it works in a cult or in a court?
Yeah. You specifically asked about the tax question but my guess is that the jury wasn't really thinking about that underlying crime as much as they might have been thinking about the other crimes. That's likely why you would prefer to focus upon the tax law. In reality, it's irrelevant. Maybe that will be part of the Trump appeal.
We will see how this affects the poll numbers for both of them. it'll be quite interesting. Trump has been so far up in the polls today I wonder if his lead is growing
What is the general consensus here? Is Biden good for America or is Trump?
To me it seems the general consensus here is that none of us are excited about either candidate and some of us are going to vote for Trump and some are going to vote for Biden for various reasons. But there is no consensus, we each have our own opinion.
I agree that it really isn't going to affect anyone's votes. People are entrenched with Trump and already ahead of the trial said a conviction wouldn't change their mind and I see that playing out now.
I saw an interesting montage on social media with Fox News hosts promoting the idea that it was election fraud designed to keep Trump out of the White House. This is the narrative that many Trump supporters are going to believe.
Biden is so unpopular with Republicans that even if they believe in the American justice system, they are still going to vote for him.
I've read there's a social media push for people to buy stock in Truth Social to help out Trump.
So in my opinion, I'm guessing polls aren't going to change much.
It wasn't even mentioned on NPR this morning as they've moved on to other stories. But they do have a story on their website.
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Allies of former President Donald Trump say his felony conviction Thursday in a New York hush money case has helped energize and unify the Republican Party.
"He's already using this verdict to fundraise," Bryan Lanza, a former Trump aide who remains close to the campaign, said in an interview with NPR. "He's already using this verdict to rally the party. He's already using this verdict to contrast himself against Joe Biden. And so, obviously, this verdict is going to be front and center in nearly everything we do."
No. You are the one researching it on a social media site. What an odd projection.
If Trump is ignorant that he's breaking a law does that mean he's not guilty of breaking the law? Is that how it works in a cult or in a court?
Yeah. You specifically asked about the tax question but my guess is that the jury wasn't really thinking about that underlying crime as much as they might have been thinking about the other crimes. That's likely why you would prefer to focus upon the tax law. In reality, it's irrelevant. Maybe that will be part of the Trump appeal.
I'm asking here, because by all news accounts, including some I've linked to here, evidence of the alleged underlying crimes weren't presented to the jury. Those here who say they've been following and reading transcripts have been unable to dispute this.
No, it doesn't mean he's not guilty of breaking the law. It doesn't mean he is guilty of breaking the law. And, nothing was presented to the jury to show he was breaking the law.
I used the alleged tax law crime as an example to narrow the discussion down.
Your "guess" may be correct. That doesn't change the fact that the alleged tax crime was on the menu for the jury to select from. So, evidence should have been presented that he broke that law.
Of course, that's not a problem for Trump-haters. It is a problem for citizens who believe he should be treated fairly under the law.
"Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, said Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg committed "political malpractice" in his choice to pursue charges against former President Trump. "
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Beerman said:
"Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, said Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg committed "political malpractice" in his choice to pursue charges against former President Trump. "
As a side note, apparently Bragg's net worth is tens of millions of dollars. I'm curious as to how he amassed his wealth.
Beerman said:
"Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, said Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg committed "political malpractice" in his choice to pursue charges against former President Trump. "
As a side note, apparently Bragg's net worth is tens of millions of dollars. I'm curious as to how he amassed his wealth.
It's a nice opinion that doesn't seem to be attached to any actual facts or evidence of "political malpractice" (Bragg is practicing law). I guess if the people of NY are unhappy with his work they won't retain him.
You should call for an investigation into the finances of that AG who just convicted Trump and you should suggest that the AG is corrupt and got bribed or something. We expect this type of reaction from those who believe that Trump can't possibly be guilty. There are millions who are, like yourself, busily looking for a way to explain away or diminish the 34 felony now attached to Trump. As usual, the sentiment from Trump's fan base is that he did nothing wrong, it's all a political witch hunt and all of the people involved are Democrat political operatives intent in destroying our country.
So, go ahead... try to impeach the character of the man who successfully brought a felon to justice. Let us know what you find out about Bragg's wealth because we all know that everyone who has amassed wealth did so illegally, right?
My take is a jury found him guilty of 34 of the charges.
If he was treated unfairly. and my "if" leaves open the possibility that he was, or if political and legal malpractice occurred, if it's all rigged, then he needs to hire new lawyers for his appeal because while it seems a whole lot of people can see this happening, his lawyers couldn't seem to stop it.
Again, like the stolen election charges, it should be pretty cut and dry to prove all these claims. I'll be waiting and will accept the decisions of the legal system, just like I did and will of the electorate.
It sounds like based on what he, Republican politicians and conservative lawyers are saying, it should be relatively easy for him to win his case since it seems pretty clear to them.
Then they should find the people responsible for it all and hold them accountable.
I even said to someone that I hoped he wasn't found guilty because I could deal with the gloating better than "it's all rigged" that I knew was coming. Also the "even Jesus was convicted" stuff is a bit much. LOL
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Tweety said:
My take is a jury found him guilty of 34 of the charges.
If he was treated unfairly. and my "if" leaves open the possibility that he was, or if political and legal malpractice occurred, if it's all rigged, then he needs to hire new lawyers for his appeal because while it seems a whole lot of people can see this happening, his lawyers couldn't seem to stop it.
Again, like the stolen election charges, it should be pretty cut and dry to prove all these claims. I'll be waiting and will accept the decisions of the legal system, just like I did and will of the electorate.
So far, Todd Blanche has indicated in interviews that he expects to be Attorney of record for this appeal as well as a part of the legal team for Trump's other criminal trials.
The problem is that, in the era of Trump, a suggestion that there is a small chance that there could possibly be some legal malpractice or unconstitutional shenanigans is interpreted by Trump devotees the same as evidence that the trial was corrupt and unfair. Trump's base is experienced at believing all manner of fabricated stories and claims. Most of them are simply looking for the thing to believe which makes them feel more comfortable supporting a felon and sexual cad who tried to overthrow their government. They just need the right pathway to excuse it all as a sham so that the cognitive pain can be mitigated.
It's a nice opinion that doesn't seem to be attached to any actual facts or evidence of "political malpractice" (Bragg is practicing law). I guess if the people of NY are unhappy with his work they won't retain him.
You should call for an investigation into the finances of that AG who just convicted Trump and you should suggest that the AG is corrupt and got bribed or something. We expect this type of reaction from those who believe that Trump can't possibly be guilty. There are millions who are, like yourself, busily looking for a way to explain away or diminish the 34 felony now attached to Trump. As usual, the sentiment from Trump's fan base is that he did nothing wrong, it's all a political witch hunt and all of the people involved are Democrat political operatives intent in destroying our country.
So, go ahead... try to impeach the character of the man who successfully brought a felon to justice. Let us know what you find out about Bragg's wealth because we all know that everyone who has amassed wealth did so illegally, right?
I don't know how he amassed his wealth. Nothing online suggests how. Apparently you don't know either. I'm genuinely curious.
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A poll is not an election ... remember the phantom red wave of 2018.
If you want to know the "consensus", read the thread.