I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
That seems like the likely outcome. It's New York after all. Imagine Biden standing trial in Florida or Alabama.
Exactly. The judges of the NY Appeals Court all run around in liberal societal circles. They aren't going to be shunned by friends and family by being responsible for undoing a conviction of Trump by a jury.
The fellow is either living in a delusion or he is completely corrupt. Maybe both. Either way, this bit of political oddity is filled with baloney and nonsense and craziness.
Republicans are anxious to elect a guy who thinks that we are encountering human languages that no one knows anything about. He's crazy and he's confident that his adoring fans don't actually care as long as he tells them the things they want to hear.
Trump can speak off the cuff without a teleprompter for an extended period. I'm trying to recall the last time we've seen Biden do that. Maybe in his VP term?
What checks and balances are you speaking of that are going to bring this "to come light" to those its not too already?
I'm talking about the legal justice system. I know people are upset that New York went after him in the first place and targeted him. I get that accusation, but they had a case and got a conviction. It's hard to overturn a conviction, but if it's a scam and rigged and all these people know it is, surely there is a way to prove it and make it right.
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Trump can speak off the cuff without a teleprompter for an extended period. I'm trying to recall the last time we've seen Biden do that. Maybe in his VP term?
Biden with his history of stuttering probably is better off with a prepared speech and teleprompter, but it does trip him up like reading "pause". LOL
Trump should get a speech writer and use a teleprompter. I suppose it is "off the cuff for an extended period" but he rambles on and on and on and rehashes old grieves and acts like a Junior High school kid with his insults in speech after speech...and lies.
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In a rambling, 33-minute news conference inside Trump Tower on Friday, the former president relitigated details of the trial, revived old grievances and charged ahead with his presidential campaign. He repeated many of the complaints and accusations that he had throughout the trial — that the case "was very unfair,” that the "devil" judge was conflicted and that the district attorney was ignoring crime in New York.
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Beerman said:
Trump can speak off the cuff without a teleprompter for an extended period. I'm trying to recall the last time we've seen Biden do that. Maybe in his VP term?
Biden recently with teleprompter difficulties:
You called that rambling Trump rant an example of Trump's ability to communicate thoughts and policies off the cuff and off teleprompter? Really?
What was the overall theme of the messaging? Was it grievance, victimhood or story telling?
Besides, any perceived weakness of Biden as a public speaker doesn't balance out Trump's corruption, his attempts to overthrow the 2020 election or his incompetence in a national public health emergency.
I truly believe he wasn't treated fairly. I've posted similar opinions from people who aren't Republicans or conservatives. That doesn't mean of course that you have to agree.
His attorneys didn't do the best, imo. I don't think it'll matter who he next hires. He's not going to win an appeal in NY.
I'm sure when the Florida case doesn't go the way the left wants it will be said the Judge is incompetent bla bla bla.....
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Beerman said:
I'm not aware of many attorneys who've spent their career in public service that are worth $40 million. So, I think it's a relevant question.
While I do understand the strategy of progressives to disparage and discredit those with differing views, I don't appreciate you implying that my question is racist in nature.
You are very welcome to ask the question. As I said, let me know what you find out and whether or not you think that he's been taking bribes. I suspect it's probably more related to investments and the like, but maybe there's been some pattern of corruption that you can uncover.
It's interesting that you chose to project Trump's propensity to disparage anyone who disagrees with or investigates him onto liberals. This projection is so obvious is surprising that you would use it.
To be honest, I still don't understand why you are suddenly interested in Bragg's accumulated wealth and surmised why a wealthy attorney might seem unusual to you. Race is one option in this country. Another option is that you might be trying to disparage and discredit the DA who is responsible for Trump's felony convictions.
I'm talking about the legal justice system. I know people are upset that New York went after him in the first place and targeted him. I get that accusation, but they had a case and got a conviction. It's hard to overturn a conviction, but if it's a scam and rigged and all these people know it is, surely there is a way to prove it and make it right.
Biden with his history of stuttering probably is better off with a prepared speech and teleprompter, but it does trip him up like reading "pause". LOL
Trump should get a speech writer and use a teleprompter. I suppose it is "off the cuff for an extended period" but he rambles on and on and on and rehashes old grieves and acts like a Junior High school kid with his insults in speech after speech...and lies.
Speaking of overturning a conviction, the sheer incompetence of Trump's legal team boggles the mind ... it makes me suspicious. I gotta assume that the team was aware of Trump's guilt and are weaponizing their incompetence in order to at least create grounds for appeal. (IOW, did they throw the game on purpose?)
On the other hand, there's a lot of speculation that trump is calling a lot of the shots. If true, that tells me all I need to know about his leadership style.
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Crusades said:
I'm sure when the Florida case doesn't go the way the left wants it will be said the Judge is incompetent bla bla bla.....
Are you expecting Judge Cannon to take some action in that case on Trump's behalf? Is there some expectation that Trump's legal team will be successful in that very compelling case against Trump when they weren't successful in less obvious cases of his guilt? Do you think that the judge's actions at this time convey competence and confidence?
Your beliefs about "the left" aren't really relevant, why not tell us your beliefs about what Trump was doing with those documents that he knew the government wanted back?
Its worth reading the entire article from this former US Atty and current CNN Head Legal Analyst:
"No man is above the law.” It's become cliché, but it's an important point, and it's worth pausing to reflect on the importance of this core principle. But it's also meaningless pablum if we unquestioningly tolerate (or worse, celebrate) deviations from ordinary process and principle to get there. The jury's word is indeed sacrosanct, as I learned long ago. But it can't fix everything that preceded it. Here, prosecutors got their man, for now at least — but they also contorted the law in an unprecedented manner in their quest to snare their prey."
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Beerman said:
Its worth reading the entire article from this former US Atty and current CNN Head Legal Analyst:
"No man is above the law.” It's become cliché, but it's an important point, and it's worth pausing to reflect on the importance of this core principle. But it's also meaningless pablum if we unquestioningly tolerate (or worse, celebrate) deviations from ordinary process and principle to get there. The jury's word is indeed sacrosanct, as I learned long ago. But it can't fix everything that preceded it. Here, prosecutors got their man, for now at least — but they also contorted the law in an unprecedented manner in their quest to snare their prey."
If he's right then Trump should have no problem getting the conviction thrown out on appeal, right? Or is the entirety of the legal system corrupted against Trump?
Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump's media company.
The benefits have flowed from Trump's businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign's top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.
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Attempts to exert undue influence on witnesses have been a repeated theme of Trump-related investigations and criminal cases over the years.
Trump's former campaign manager and former campaign adviser were convicted on federal witness tampering charges in 2018 and 2019. The campaign adviser had told a witness to "do a 'Frank Pentangeli,’” referencing a character in "The Godfather Part II" who lies to a Senate committee investigating organized crime. Trump later pardoned both men in the waning days of his presidency. (He did not pardon a co-defendant of the campaign manager who had cooperated with the government.)
During the congressional investigation into the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, a former White House staffer testified that she got a call from a colleague the night before an interview with investigators. The colleague told her Trump's chief of staff "wants me to let you know that he knows you're loyal and he knows you'll do the right thing tomorrow and that you're going to protect him and the boss.” (A spokesperson for the chief of staff denied that he tried to influence testimony.)
Last year, Trump himself publicly discouraged a witness from testifying in the Georgia case. Trump posted on social media that he had read about a Georgia politician who "will be testifying before the Fulton County Grand Jury. He shouldn't.”
A pattern of corrupt behavior cannot hide forever behind projection and denial.
If he's right then Trump should have no problem getting the conviction thrown out on appeal, right? Or is the entirety of the legal system corrupted against Trump?
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Exactly. The judges of the NY Appeals Court all run around in liberal societal circles. They aren't going to be shunned by friends and family by being responsible for undoing a conviction of Trump by a jury.