Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

NurseBlaq · Jul 6, 2020

I saw something on the news today about scientists saying covid is a droplet based virus or something to that effect. Anybody know what they were talking about.

And what's this thing about the 3rd phase of a covid treatment taking place but it's for an antibiotic. Antibiotics don't work on viruses.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 6, 2020

1 hour ago, damiorifice said:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
Mask give a false sense of security. There is no avoiding this plague. Nature will take its course.

You are pushing against proven mitigation techniques. The article that you cite does not recommend allowing nature to "take it's course". Please provide some evidence that allowing the virus to simply ruin it's natural course through this country's population is the best or most appropriate public health option right now. Promoting public policy which accepts widespread community spread of this virus is irresponsible, IMV. This country absolutely could have avoided much of this "plague".

Better and consistent messaging from political leadership might improve public compliance with simple and harmless mitigation techniques. Unfortunately, an alarmingly large number of Americans can't seem to master up the self control, altruism, or courage to practice social distancing or masking in the middle of a dangerous pandemic.

Guest1142305 · Jul 6, 2020

Just now, toomuchbaloney said:
You are pushing against proven mitigation techniques. The article that you cite does not recommend allowing nature to "take it's course". Please provide some evidence that allowing the virus to simply ruin it's natural course through this country's population is the best or most appropriate public health option right now. Promoting public policy which accepts widespread community spread of this virus is irresponsible, IMV. This country absolutely could have avoided much of this "plague".
Better and consistent messaging from political leadership might improve public compliance with simple and harmless mitigation techniques. Unfortunately, an alarmingly large number of Americans can't seem to master up the self control, altruism, or courage to practice social distancing or masking in the middle of a dangerous pandemic.

No, the article written by doctoral experts in their field points out that mask mandates are pointless unless everyone straps into an N-95 which will never happen.

Im advocating that what is currently occurring is the reality we should embrace, because there is not a thing we can do about it. Accepting reality instead of grasping at how we wish things had unfolded is a more healthy perspective to take. The young have protested and flocked to beaches, casting the die where it may. There is no turning back now. It’s beating against the wind.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 6, 2020

2 hours ago, Undercat said:
On 7/4/2020 at 10:19 PM, A Hit With The Ladies said:
Why do you go to such extremes in your lack of logic?

These so-called public health "experts", who do this for a living 40 hours a week, couldn't even keep their story straight...

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The expert response to the disease has shifted as scientists have been learning about best practices in real time. Advice has changed on the value of masks, on whether asymptomatic patients can spread the disease, and on whether the disease can easily spread via surfaces. Such confusing messages can cause people to throw up their hands and ignore any advice.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/upshot/coronavirus-americans-trust-experts.html?searchResultPosition=6

Just because Anthony Fauci tells to roll over and beg, doesn't mean we have to do it. These so-called public health experts are not the masters of our lives. We are not some lab rats they can play with and lock up as they please.

allnurses Guide · Jul 7, 2020

2 hours ago, damiorifice said:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
Mask give a false sense of security. There is no avoiding this plague. Nature will take its course.

The opinion was published April 1, 2020. Studies showing the efficacy of masks AND instancing reduce the spread of VOVID-19.

From the link: ... "Surgical masks likely have some utility as source control (meaning the wearer limits virus dispersal to another person) from a symptomatic patient in a healthcare setting to stop the spread of large cough particles and limit the lateral dispersion of cough particles."

Wuzzie · Jul 7, 2020

54 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
These so-called public health "experts", who do this for a living 40 hours a week, couldn't even keep their story straight...

Jeebus! Have you ever been faced with something entirely unfamiliar and had to change course midway through dealing with it because you gained more knowledge? I was unaware that omniscience was a quality found in the human race. Who knew? ??‍♀️

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 7, 2020

Just now, Wuzzie said:
Jeebus! Have you ever been faced with something entirely unfamiliar and had to change course midway through dealing with it because you gained more knowledge? I was unaware that omniscience was a quality found in the human race. Who knew? ??‍♀️

So how did they make this El Dorado style miraculous discovery that masks worked? Were they simply uneducated two months prior?

Of course not. They lied to the public so people would not hoard masks during the PPE shortage and leave healthcare workers high and dry. They are trying to play games with the public. Thank goodness the public won't bite and are blowing them off now. We can think for ourselves, we don't need to be Fauci's lapdogs.

allnurses Guide · Jul 7, 2020

1 hour ago, damiorifice said:
No, the article written by doctoral experts in their field points out that mask mandates are pointless unless everyone straps into an N-95 which will never happen.
Im advocating that what is currently occurring is the reality we should embrace, because there is not a thing we can do about it. Accepting reality instead of grasping at how we wish things had unfolded is a more healthy perspective to take. The young have protested and flocked to beaches, casting the die where it may. There is no turning back now. It’s beating against the wind.

Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US

Authors Wei Lyu is a research associate in the Department of Health Management and Policy, College of Public Health, University of Iowa, in Iowa City, Iowa. George L. Wehby ([email protected]) is a professor in the Department of Health Management and Policy, College of Public Health, University of Iowa, and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research.

... The study provides direct evidence on the effectiveness of widespread community use of face masks from a natural experiment that evaluates effects of state government mandates in the US for face mask use in public on COVID-19 spread.

Fifteen states plus DC in the US have mandated this use between April 8 and May 5. Using an event study that examines daily changes in county-level COVID-19 growth rates, the study finds that mandating public use of face masks is associated with a reduction in the COVID-19 daily growth rate. Specifically, we find that the average daily county-level growth rate decreases by 0.9, 1.1, 1.4, 1.7, and 2.0 percentage-points in 1–5, 6–10, 11–15, 16–20, and 21+ days after signing, respectively.

These estimates are not small and represent nearly 16–19% of the effects of other social distancing measures (school closures, bans on large gatherings, shelter-in-place orders, and closures of restaurants, bars, and entertainment venues) after similar periods from their enactment.

The estimates suggest increasing effectiveness and benefits from these mandates over time.

By May 22, the estimates suggest that as many as 230,000–450,000 COVID-19 cases may have been averted based on when states passed these mandates. Again, the estimates of averted cases should be viewed cautiously as these are sensitive to assumptions and different approaches for transforming the changes in the daily growth rate estimates to cases....

... Conclusion The study provides evidence that states in the US mandating use of face masks in public had a greater decline in daily COVID-19 growth rates after issuing these mandates compared to states that did not issue mandates.

These effects are observed conditional on other existing social distancing measures and are independent of the CDC recommendation to wear facial covers issued on April 3. ...

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/pdf/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

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I plan to continue wearing a mask to protect others and am glad that most everyone where I go wears one too.

Wuzzie · Jul 7, 2020

32 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
Were they simply uneducated two months prior?

With this particular organism well...yes.

Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Jul 7, 2020

1 hour ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
These so-called public health "experts", who do this for a living 40 hours a week, couldn't even keep their story straight...
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/upshot/coronavirus-americans-trust-experts.html?searchResultPosition=6
Just because Anthony Fauci tells to roll over and beg, doesn't mean we have to do it. These so-called public health experts are not the masters of our lives. We are not some lab rats they can play with and lock up as they please.

I'm sure you miss the irony that this Trump appointee is WEARING a mask in the tweets you have posted to prove your point! I guess he changed his mind when Pence told him he wouldn't be fired for wearing one.

Guest1142305 · Jul 7, 2020

Any study claiming statistical significance regarding the effectiveness of facial masks at hindering the transmission of COVID-19 during this period is junk science. There is a saying in statistics, junk in junk out. How can they POSSIBLY control for the independent variables? Business closures, social distancing, lockdowns, etc. it’s not possible.

Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Jul 7, 2020

3 hours ago, damiorifice said:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
Mask give a false sense of security. There is no avoiding this plague. Nature will take its course.

Thus article was published in April early in the epidemic and things have changed. Please site a source from June.