Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

JadedCPN, BSN, RN · Jul 4, 2020

2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
But there's only so much society can do. I'm in my early 30s, a Houstonian, and a healthcare worker, so that would hypothetically make me a prime candidate for getting this Corona. Suppose that all of the hospital beds in this region are full and I am in dire need of medical care. What exactly is supposed to happen? Am I supposed to cry, whine, and pout in the expectation that society gives me what I need? No. We live in a resource-limited world - that is the cold, hard truth. When there's no more supplies and no more care, then that it is. Time for me to go home.

BUT if we can save supplies and bed space and resources for people who would need to be hospitalized, such as yourself in this example, by simply wearing a mask at all times for a temporary period of time and not going out as much, why wouldn’t we?!

Guest1142305 · Jul 4, 2020

1 hour ago, NRSKarenRN said:

That’s an example of taking history out of context. By and far stringent measures were not taken compared with what this generation has attempted. The virus burned through 1/3 of the world’s population over 3-4 years, and a mixture of herd immunity and mutation rendered the virus no longer fatal. That is how the Spanish flu was conquered.

Guest1142305 · Jul 4, 2020

1 minute ago, JadedCPN said:
BUT if we can save supplies and bed space and resources for people who would need to be hospitalized, such as yourself in this example, by simply wearing a mask at all times for a temporary period of time and not going out as much, why wouldn’t we?!

Because by slowing down transmission we are dragging this out instead of pulling the bandaid off and letting the young who hardly ever die from it gain immunity, thereby no longer being vectors for transmission.

it’s too late now anyway. The collective will of the young has been to spread this and get it over with. Pandora is out of the box, and there’s no putting it back in.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 4, 2020

1 minute ago, JadedCPN said:
BUT if we can save supplies and bed space and resources for people who would need to be hospitalized, such as yourself in this example, by simply wearing a mask at all times for a temporary period of time and not going out as much, why wouldn’t we?!

Because this is Texas and our cultural ethos is about preserving individual liberty. I don't adhere to the Leninist principle of "greatest good for the greatest number of people". That leads to a slippery slope of curtailing many liberties in the name of the "social [read: socialist] interest".

In some rural counties here, there are some businesses that will say "no masks allowed". Which makes perfect sense. Well before the Corona, wearing a mask into a business meant you were going to stage an armed robbery and kept your face covered for the surveillance cameras. Moreover, if you're simply that scared of the Corona, maybe you're better off just staying home than showing up to a store masked anyway.

allnurses Guide · Jul 4, 2020

3 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
Hence, why you see the overall U.S. fatality numbers being stuck at around 120k for weeks, whereas when the outbreak was real bad in late March it was climbing by the tens of thousands every day.
They are using dexamethasone right here in Houston:
By the way, these "experts" have no solid facts behind universal masking or social distancing.

You are wrong on every point.

We are currently sitting at 132,000 deaths, up 10,000 in the past two weeks. There was no time where deaths were 10,000 a day let alone "tens of thousands".

Dexamethasone was demonstrated to only be effective in severe and lae stage Covid when patients were already on vents. Is showed zero effect on early stage and mild and moderate cases. Please educate yourself as you are making dangerous statements.

There is in fact excellent evidence that universal mask usages drastically reduces covid spread. Again, educate yourself.

allnurses Guide · Jul 4, 2020

3 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
Suppose that all of the hospital beds in this region are full and I am in dire need of medical care. What exactly is supposed to happen? Am I supposed to cry, whine, and pout in the expectation that society gives me what I need? No. We live in a resource-limited world - that is the cold, hard truth. When there's no more supplies and no more care, then that it is. Time for me to go home.

This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard in favor of not wearing a simple mask. Darwinism at its finest.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 5, 2020

7 hours ago, BostonFNP said:
We are currently sitting at 132,000 deaths, up 10,000 in the past two weeks. There was no time where deaths were 10,000 a day let alone "tens of thousands".

The death rate in the U.S. in indeed declining:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states?country=~USA#daily-confirmed-deaths-are-countries-bending-the-curve

7 hours ago, BostonFNP said:
There is in fact excellent evidence that universal mask usages drastically reduces covid spread. Again, educate yourself.

Have they done studies on what the COVID spread would be if we all lived like Bubble Boy, too?

toomuchbaloney · Jul 6, 2020

Facts and frank discussion.

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Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Jul 6, 2020

On 7/4/2020 at 11:19 PM, A Hit With The Ladies said:
The death rate in the U.S. in indeed declining:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states?country=~USA#daily-confirmed-deaths-are-countries-bending-the-curve
Have they done studies on what the COVID spread would be if we all lived like Bubble Boy, too?

Why do you go to such extremes in your lack of logic? The simple act of wearing a mask allows people to get out the bubble. Why should states have to suffer reversions back to previous Covid stages because people are too delicate to wear a mask? We should have the fortitude to do what it takes to keep as much open as we CAN. It kills me to see a bunch of sissies who can't suffer any little discomfort. We've become so lazy and self centered that Putin must be smiling that he has us just where he wanted. Weaklings who wouldr rather kill each other than unite to fight an enemy.How old were you on 9/11? Kindergarten or first grade?

Guest1142305 · Jul 6, 2020

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

Mask give a false sense of security. There is no avoiding this plague. Nature will take its course.

allnurses Guide · Jul 6, 2020

"The Lancet" medical journal found that “face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection.” https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)31142-9

"Health Affairs" Studied State government mandates in the United States for face mask use in public issued by 15 states plus DC between April 8 and May 15. They found that state mask mandates, which cover about half the population, may have averted more than 230,000 coronavirus infections. https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/pdf/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818