I want to preface my post by saying I am NOT looking to get into a political debate/argument about right wingers/left wingers or any wingers..I am seriously wanting opinions about how to answer these questions as I am having these or similar questions asked of me and I honestly am not sure how to respond other that citing CDC/FDA information.
First, if masks/lockdowns are as effective as some would have people believe, what are places like California and NY, where some of the strictest mask/lockdown restriction were/are, in place having such terrible times with the virus much more than other places that had little or no mask/lockdown requirements?
Secondly, some political and/or social events/protests have been deemed "super spreader" while others have been ignored by experts. It seems those most criticized were Republican/Republican leaning while those ignored/excused were Democratic/Democratic leaning.
Again, I am not looking for political/social arguments, just a way to better answer the questions when asked than I am doing now.
Your assertion without actually even slightly thinking about it, is that the five most populous states, with the largest economies and the largest influx of international business travelers, had the most deaths?
Further, the candidate that isolated, wore masks and repeatedly educated about mask wearing, in the party that advocated almost totally about Covid-19 precautions and safety, won, because they disagreed with President Biden and didn't adhere to precautions? As opposed to the party that ridiculed safety precautions and advised against masks, distancing, quarantining etc?
Now Beerman, do you really want us to take you seriously? I will chalk your statement up to emotional impact and hopefully you will think more clearly in the future.
That is why I pleaded with you to explain your position. I don't think illogically. It's my failing. You obviously feel strongly and you should be entitled to explain why you feel the way you do. Hopefully, you will indulge me when I say, it's very likely that your statement may qualify for the assertion you postulated.
I didn't assert anything. Except that your statement that Trump, Republicans, and TV commentators are responsible for a large number of covid deaths is indeed a result of illogical thinking.
You have even contradicted yourself with the statement on large economies and influx of international travelers. Which, btw is also illogical thinking.
I didn't assert anything. Except that your statement that Trump, Republicans, and TV commentators are responsible for a large number of covid deaths is indeed a result of illogical thinking.
You have even contradicted yourself with the statement on large economies and influx of international travelers. Which, btw is also illogical thinking.
One of the more ridiculous things I've seen said here.
The 5 worst states for covid death rates all overwhelming voted for Biden. I'm assuming they weren't influenced much by Trump, Hannity, and Ingraham?
That's hard to say because the political affiliation of those that died isn't known, nor is it known whether they were infected by a republican. Also when you go into Trump country in rural areas, even within states he lost, they have some high infection rates per capita. I think one of the most deadliest counties has a small population that Trump won.
One can split hairs but clearly all evidence and truth points to Republicans reacting differently and believing differently about covid than democrats. Clearly to me it's Trump, politicians and news media that helped to fuel this difference, right or wrong. Democrats have made mistakes too.
But also older people look and react at it differently than the young. A guy on my bowling team that voted for Trump is 73 and wears a mask, stays six feet apart and is getting vaccinated. Same for my 86 year old father. He likes Trump but stayed away from rallies. So it's hard to paint anyone with a brush. But clearly the young are more reckless than the old.
That's hard to say because the political affiliation of those that died isn't known, nor is it known whether they were infected by a republican. Also when you go into Trump country in rural areas, even within states he lost, they have some high infection rates per capita. I think one of the most deadliest counties has a small population that Trump won.
One can split hairs but clearly all evidence and truth points to Republicans reacting differently and believing differently about covid than democrats. Clearly to me it's Trump, politicians and news media that helped to fuel this difference, right or wrong. Democrats have made mistakes too.
But also older people look and react at it differently than the young. A guy on my bowling team that voted for Trump is 73 and wears a mask, stays six feet apart and is getting vaccinated. Same for my 86 year old father. He likes Trump but stayed away from rallies. So it's hard to paint anyone with a brush. But clearly the young are more reckless than the old.
I would agree. I have been traveling the country the last 4 months, mostly for a covid related job. From what I've seen, there are some different beliefs that seems to correspond to political ideology. But when it comes to behavior, age seems to be more relevant.
In my "real" job, I work with plenty of liberal friends in their 20s and 30s who socialize with each other, have small house parties, frequent restaurants and bars, etc.
I was in your area over New Years, in Clearwater. Very busy, with people from all over the country. Hard to say what their political ideology was, but definitely people on the younger side. And many escaping their more restrictive home areas.
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48 minutes ago, Beerman said:
I didn't assert anything. Except that your statement that Trump, Republicans, and TV commentators are responsible for a large number of covid deaths is indeed a result of illogical thinking.
You have even contradicted yourself with the statement on large economies and influx of international travelers. Which, btw is also illogical thinking.
Your assertion is laughable. Misinformation about covid resulted in needless infections and deaths. That is fact.
Perhaps you don't understand what logical and illogical actually mean.
I would agree. I have been traveling the country the last 4 months, mostly for a covid related job. From what I've seen, there are some different beliefs that seems to correspond to political ideology. But when it comes to behavior, age seems to be more relevant.
In my "real" job, I work with plenty of liberal friends in their 20s and 30s who socialize with each other, have small house parties, frequent restaurants and bars, etc.
I was in your area over New Years, in Clearwater. Very busy, with people from all over the country. Hard to say what their political ideology was, but definitely people on the younger side. And many escaping their more restrictive home areas.
That's the perfect description! Liberally stupid! Anyone who can ignore over 400k deaths in ONE YEAR from same the pandemic is blessed with the kind of ignorance that I wish I possess. Ignorance is bliss and acutely dangerous! I like knowing what's around the next corner. Boring old fart I am!
I would agree. I have been traveling the country the last 4 months, mostly for a covid related job. From what I've seen, there are some different beliefs that seems to correspond to political ideology. But when it comes to behavior, age seems to be more relevant.
In my "real" job, I work with plenty of liberal friends in their 20s and 30s who socialize with each other, have small house parties, frequent restaurants and bars, etc.
I was in your area over New Years, in Clearwater. Very busy, with people from all over the country. Hard to say what their political ideology was, but definitely people on the younger side. And many escaping their more restrictive home areas.
Beerman, how do you folks feel about the insurrection where five 5 people died and Benghazi where only 4 people died and republicans were in a tizzy for years? All those hearings and Hillary having to resort to child abductions out of a pizza place while the lizard people were eating the children?
I would agree. I have been traveling the country the last 4 months, mostly for a covid related job. From what I've seen, there are some different beliefs that seems to correspond to political ideology. But when it comes to behavior, age seems to be more relevant.
In my "real" job, I work with plenty of liberal friends in their 20s and 30s who socialize with each other, have small house parties, frequent restaurants and bars, etc.
I was in your area over New Years, in Clearwater. Very busy, with people from all over the country. Hard to say what their political ideology was, but definitely people on the younger side. And many escaping their more restrictive home areas.
We have no restrictions or lockdown here and while there were Trump rallies and people going to church services, it is indeed the young driving the infection rates up around here. New Year's Eve was off the chain with crowds here. I don't think political affiliation was a factor. Having a good time and being with friends was.
I am happy to say that there is, at least where I go to, 100% compliance with mask wearing by the public. I rather like having no restrictions and the freedom to go bowling, to the gym, to my yoga class, and to restaurants. I just do it differently now.
I wish we could convince people to do things a bit differently and and to get vaccinated. There sadly seems to be resistance here for the vaccine among the young healthcare workers here. But hopefully when it's available to the general public at any age, they might change their mind. There is off the chain demand from the 250,000 over 65 crowd here and not enough vaccines. I'm encouraged by that but frustrated that people have to wait so long, but everyone said that would happen, and I don't blame anyone.
I'm not encouraged with the 13,000 positive cases we had yesterday. The only good thing is that with this 2nd wave hospitalizations seem to be lower than the Summer. We still have only one covid unit when in the Summer we had three.
While I do think the course of the pandemic would have gone differently with better leadership, we still would have been hit hard, and I think as we move onto vaccinations, a new administration, it's time for me to let go of "well we wouldn't be here if...." and just move on. It hit us all unaware and hopefully we've learned something.
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56 minutes ago, Tweety said:
We have no restrictions or lockdown here and while there were Trump rallies and people going to church services, it is indeed the young driving the infection rates up around here. New Year's Eve was off the chain with crowds here. I don't think political affiliation was a factor. Having a good time and being with friends was.
I am happy to say that there is, at least where I go to, 100% compliance with mask wearing by the public. I rather like having no restrictions and the freedom to go bowling, to the gym, to my yoga class, and to restaurants. I just do it differently now.
I wish we could convince people to do things a bit differently and and to get vaccinated. There sadly seems to be resistance here for the vaccine among the young healthcare workers here. But hopefully when it's available to the general public at any age, they might change their mind. There is off the chain demand from the 250,000 over 65 crowd here and not enough vaccines. I'm encouraged by that but frustrated that people have to wait so long, but everyone said that would happen, and I don't blame anyone.
I'm not encouraged with the 13,000 positive cases we had yesterday. The only good thing is that with this 2nd wave hospitalizations seem to be lower than the Summer. We still have only one covid unit when in the Summer we had three.
While I do think the course of the pandemic would have gone differently with better leadership, we still would have been hit hard, and I think as we move onto vaccinations, a new administration, it's time for me to let go of "well we wouldn't be here if...." and just move on. It hit us all unaware and hopefully we've learned something.
There must be accountability and we must never forget how we got here, IMHO
I'm exhausted. It's time to prioritize getting past this pandemic. But some lessons need to be learned and imprinted from these recent events and experiences.
This country needs to be united around truth, proper accountability, and justice for all.
"President Joe Biden was slammed on Friday after stating during a press conference that there was nothing his administration could do to change the course of the pandemic over the next several months, which comes after he campaigned on ending the pandemic."
"President Joe Biden was slammed on Friday after stating during a press conference that there was nothing his administration could do to change the course of the pandemic over the next several months, which comes after he campaigned on ending the pandemic."
There are things we can do, but the trajectory will not change for several months. It will take time, masks, social distancing, etc., and a whole lot of vaccine. But there is hope.
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I didn't assert anything. Except that your statement that Trump, Republicans, and TV commentators are responsible for a large number of covid deaths is indeed a result of illogical thinking.
You have even contradicted yourself with the statement on large economies and influx of international travelers. Which, btw is also illogical thinking.