I want to preface my post by saying I am NOT looking to get into a political debate/argument about right wingers/left wingers or any wingers..I am seriously wanting opinions about how to answer these questions as I am having these or similar questions asked of me and I honestly am not sure how to respond other that citing CDC/FDA information.
First, if masks/lockdowns are as effective as some would have people believe, what are places like California and NY, where some of the strictest mask/lockdown restriction were/are, in place having such terrible times with the virus much more than other places that had little or no mask/lockdown requirements?
Secondly, some political and/or social events/protests have been deemed "super spreader" while others have been ignored by experts. It seems those most criticized were Republican/Republican leaning while those ignored/excused were Democratic/Democratic leaning.
Again, I am not looking for political/social arguments, just a way to better answer the questions when asked than I am doing now.
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1 hour ago, Peachpit said:
I am asking about how to answer patients who question me or my coworkers about why some events are deemed super spreaders while others are not an about masks/lockdowns in general not seeming to work in places like NY & Calif. We have answered them w/the CDC/FDA information but thought they may be more information we could utilize in responding.
As far as what I think personally? Yes, I think there is hypocrisy/two sets of standards on BOTH political sides. I do not see how one side can say BLM protests or the protests in Chicago/Portland/elsewhere were not spreader events (super or otherwise) where political rallies for a candidate (Trump or otherwise) were spreader events..Is the Inauguration not a large event that could be a super spreader?
There is an singer, Chesca, who is positive for Covid but is still going to sing at the upcoming Inauguration. Social distanced or not, what message does this send? Where is the outrage or concern about her performing while positive? Should she not quarantine? Others that will be with her are positive according to her own statements. I am not asking for these questions to be answered, just posing them to highlight that when there appears to be double standards.
ALL of those put people at risk and the people who chose to attend rallies/protest made the choice to attend thus putting themselves and others at risk and ignoring the CDC guidelines for distancing/masks. The unfortunate thing is a major public health crisis has become political and it's the general public who are suffering because of BOTH sides inability to lead as they should - by example.
Your patients are asking you odd and partisan questions.
A super spreader event is a gathering where the covid mitigation strategies are ignored and the spread of the disease was easily documented among the gatherers...a large wedding or white house event, for example.
Chesca singing remotely, into a camera, exposes no one to covid.
Nah...the leadership failure in federal covid response is Trump's alone.
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2 hours ago, Peachpit said:
No evidence at all nor is that what I am seeking/posintg about. . I am not going to debate anyone on here about covid/the validity of whether the current administration handled things well or not nor if the incoming administration will do any better or worse. Just asking for advice/suggestions on how to best answer questions I am being asked by patients about the situation overall. And the questions they are asking are valid.
If you have no evidence that the mitigation, even poorly followed mitigation, didn't save lives why are you entertaining thinking that it didn't work? Are you listening to commentary or opinion which is causing you to question the value of 19th century mitigation techniques? Because the science should reassure you, in my opinion.
Your patients are asking you odd and partisan questions.
Or they often make statements to the such. Often when I'm with patients they are watching the news either Fox or CNN and often comment to me expecting a comment back. Depending on which channel and what they say is how I respond. Sometimes it's with a comment "no comment", other times it's "don't get me started". Often I agree with them.
Once many months ago I got a conspiracy theorists asking me what I thought. He thought it was a plan of Bill Gates to get control of the world. That was a no comment.
Almost all of my patients understand covid and have been careful. I guess because they mostly are older and have chronic problems. A few of them that have it got it from their families. Most have been critical of super spreader events where people ignore the virus.
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18 minutes ago, Tweety said:
Or they often make statements to the such. Often when I'm with patients they are watching the news either Fox or CNN and often comment to me expecting a comment back. Depending on which channel and what they say is how I respond. Sometimes it's with a comment "no comment", other times it's "don't get me started". Often I agree with them.
Once many months ago I got a conspiracy theorists asking me what I thought. He thought it was a plan of Bill Gates to get control of the world. That was a no comment.
Almost all of my patients understand covid and have been careful. I guess because they mostly are older and have chronic problems. A few of them that have it got it from their families. Most have been critical of super spreader events where people ignore the virus.
I get it. I refused to talk politics with patients (in general) and required that the television be off for my home visits to avoid exactly that sort of nonsense. I was happy to reschedule their appointments if they couldn't accommodate the terms of our agreement. Generally speaking, the majority were more interested in receiving the care I was hired to provide than engaging in political discussion.
Family can definitely be a pita when it comes to inappropriate discussions, no matter the setting.
First, if masks/lockdowns are as effective as some would have people believe, what are places like California and NY, where some of the strictest mask/lockdown restriction were/are, in place having such terrible times with the virus much more than other places that had little or no mask/lockdown requirements?
8 hours ago, Peachpit said:
Just asking for advice/suggestions on how to best answer questions I am being asked by patients about the situation overall.
I assume that you spend a limited amount of time with each patient and that most of them don’t have a degree in epidemiology and in mathematical modeling? You’re asking for a simple answer to a very complex problem.
If patients ask you if lockdowns/social distancing works then pose this question to them:
If one person located in Nowhereville, Wyoming is infected with an extremely contagious respiratory disease with a 100% fatality rate ?, where would they rather be...
A) In Alaska..
B) Dining with the guy sitting 75 feet away from him in his rather spacious kitchen in Nowhereville..
C) Snuggling up with Nowhereville’s resident Casanova ? on the living room couch.. (tiny, enclosed living room with crap ventilation to boot..)..
Yeah, I know. The layout of this house is a bit unusual.
The factors that affect how this virus spreads are complex, but the fact that minimizing close contact with other people makes it harder for a respiratory disease to spread is a no-brainer.
As COVID-19 cases spike to new heights in Southern California, protestors continue to target businesses across the city with maskless invasions: "We're not going to stop until we get our freedoms back.":
LAPD will arrest anti-mask protesters who harass others, Garcetti says: Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti condemned a group of anti-maskers who descended on Westfield Century City mall on Sunday in protest of COVID-19 health mandates, at times harassing employees and customers. Police made no arrests Sunday but did take two reports of battery. Garcetti said that in the future, police officers will take action and arrest lawbreakers in such situations. “Don’t test us on this because you will find yourself in jail, cited or dealing with prosecution,” the mayor said…
No evidence at all nor is that what I am seeking/posintg about. . I am not going to debate anyone on here about covid/the validity of whether the current administration handled things well or not nor if the incoming administration will do any better or worse. Just asking for advice/suggestions on how to best answer questions I am being asked by patients about the situation overall. And the questions they are asking are valid.
Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand etc etc. Every country that had a mask wearing culture and notice location! All are from the far east! I think that should answer your question.
Nah...theleadership failure in federal covid response is Trump's alone.
Newsom dining at a birthday party in Napa. The mayor of Denver literally begging people to not travel for the holidays, and then he did exactly that. Pelosi getting her hair done when every other salon is ordered closed. Many other examples.
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1 hour ago, Beerman said:
Newsom dining at a birthday party in Napa. The mayor of Denver literally begging people to not travel for the holidays, and then he did exactly that. Pelosi getting her hair done when every other salon is ordered closed. Many other examples.
I think there were many failures of leadership.
LOL
But there is only one president responsible for the national response and that was Trump. You know, the guy who lied religiously about the virus from the start. The fellow who put Pence in charge of propaganda (he did such a good job with AIDS as governor-sarcasm).
Wasn't the first American case of covid acknowledged right around this time last year? Now here we are, 400k countrymen dead because of his corrupt incompetence. Of course, after 4 years, I fully expect Trump supporters to hold any and everyone more accountable than they would Trump. He's just a victim, you know, of that fake news and the never Trumpers.
But there is only one president responsible for the national response and that was Trump. You know, the guy who lied religiously about the virus from the start. The fellow who put Pence in charge of propaganda (he did such a good job with AIDS as governor-sarcasm).
Wasn't the first American case of covid acknowledged right around this time last year? Now here we are, 400k countrymen dead because of his corrupt incompetence. Of course, after 4 years, I fully expect Trump supporters to hold any and everyone more accountable than they would Trump. He's just a victim, you know, of that fake news and the never Trumpers.
You'd have to search high and low to find someone who hates Bunker McBonespurs more than me, but the American failure took a lot of "effort" on the parts of many people. There's more than enough blame available to fault others as well as the former traitor-in-chief. (Although he gets the gold medal...)
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1 minute ago, Jedrnurse said:
You'd have to search high and low to find someone who hates Bunker McBonespurs more than me, but the American failure took a lot of "effort" on the parts of many people. There's more than enough blame available to fault others as well as the former traitor-in-chief. (Although he gets the gold medal...)
You are right...millions of people were influenced by the lies and illogical behavior of Trump relative to COVID. From Governors to federal legislators to citizens, Trump messaged noncompliance and adversity to the mitigation strategies. Trump made compliance a political statement. The result of that malfeasance is 400k dead and counting.
You are right...millions of people were influenced by the lies and illogical behavior of Trump relative to COVID.
I disagree, slightly. Anyone (particularly in a position of responsibility like a governor) with a modicum of intelligence wouldn't have been influenced by Trump's ignorance and lies. (Infused disinfectant, anyone?) Instead I hold those people responsible for their cowardice and not risking the consequencesof rocking the boat.
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Your patients are asking you odd and partisan questions.
A super spreader event is a gathering where the covid mitigation strategies are ignored and the spread of the disease was easily documented among the gatherers...a large wedding or white house event, for example.
Chesca singing remotely, into a camera, exposes no one to covid.
Nah...the leadership failure in federal covid response is Trump's alone.