Good grief. America's Frontline Doctors, a group of quacks who claim to know more than actual experts are pushing the use of ineffective parasite med to prevent and or treat COVID.
On a personal note, my hubby works for a farm store and has overheard customers explaining to each other how to dose animal wormer for people. This is in a community that is anti-mask, anti-vaccine, let's just all get infected. Up until, you know, they need hospitalization .
On 9/2/2021 at 8:43 AM, Closed Account 12345 said:
I find this comment so off-putting, especially by someone who is theoretically FMP and PMHNP certified. If you're employed in either of those capacities, you've seen the long term fall out of COVID.
I don't think people are "freaking out" over the mortality rate. I think they're hoping to avoid lasting lung damage with new chronic diagnoses, heart damage with new chronic diagnoses, kidney failure with associated new diagnoses, strokes, clots, the sensation of drowning in their own lungs, weeks of air hunger, months on supplemental oxygen, losing the ability to smell, months of food tasting like battery acid, brain fog, the inability to remember words and complete sentences, chronic debilitating fatigue, severe headaches, PTSD, depression, anxiety, lasting changes noted on brain scans, potentially low sperm count and male fertility issues, losing loved ones in a horrendous and separated way, etc. People don't want their young children exposed to these possibilities. People don't want their older relatives dying just because they're old.
The number of patients experiencing long hauler symptoms is significant. Many COVID-is-a-hoax folks ask "How can we say the damage is permanent on a novel virus?" All you should need to do is ask yourself as a provider how often areas of brain atrophy reverse themselves, or how often scarred, fibrous lungs suddenly turn healthy again.
It is so dismissive at this point, knowing what we clinically know, to imply that people shouldn't have concerns about COVID since they're likely to live.
Additionally, not all people fall into the category of likely to survive. One of my local mom friends with children ranging from toddlerhood to high school has leukemia and absolutely no immune system right now. Combined with her comorbidities, COVID would almost certainly be a death sentence. Let's not accuse people of "freaking out" because they'd like to see their children grow up. It's really just tacky.
Good post. I get weary of the "why are freaking out over something that most people survive" justification for not getting vaccinated, or just letting the virus run it's destructive course. It belittles the truth that people are suffering, health care providers are tired and overworked, ICU beds are full hospitals overwhelmed...etc. etc. There's a lot of work, blood sweat and tears that goes into that high survival rate.
Call a wambulance, someone is doing something outside of the guidelines of all the geniuses who are still trying to figure out what to do, change their minds weekly, contradict their previous recommendations frequently, and are authoritarian bureaucratics to the core...?
I get it. It does seem like the authorities and scientists are making recommendations as they go along, much of which is based on theory of what they think would be the best practice at the time, and then change their mind again.
Maybe you and I have enough sense to know that stepping outside of the box and maybe taking something like elderberry for virus protection is okay, and better than drinking cow urine. But not everyone, some people have died drinking methanol and alcohol cleaning products because of what they read on the internet for example or the man that took the fish tank cleaner chloroquine phosphate and died.
But like you, I really don't care what they do. Live and let die I say.
It amazes me how people are so quick to call others quacks before doing their own research. Just so you know Ivermectin is nothing new. It's been around for decades and in fact won the Nobel Prize for medicine in 2015 and is one of WHO's list of essential medicines. As with many medication there is a human form and an animal form. People are so quick to say follow the science but explain this science. Israel is one of the most vaccinated county on the planet yet numbers continues to rise. India is one of the least and treats with ivermectin and their numbers are significantly lower.
Please people stop being spoon fed information and do your own research. Everything that goes against this new be all end all injection cannot be conspiracy. It's in fact scary how little anyone questions anything anymore.
And please don't get it twisted I'm not anti-vax or anti science I'm anti-ignorance. I just study data and facts.
Ah, the old "do your own research" thing.
OK, well I "researched" who is the maker of Ivermectin. They have a big financial incentive for their medication to be shown to be effective against Covid, so they have been keeping a close eye on *actual* "research" about their product. This is their statement on the subject:
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KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
My "research" shows that at this time, Ivermectin is great for its stated purpose, but is not the magic bullet certain people would have us believe for successfully treating Covid. It certainly hasn't produced the results that vaccination has in reducing morbidity and mortality.
It is not for me to say whether or not people should be using livestock medication for their own personal usage because believe it or not people have been doing that well before covid.
Well you know what. We are all entitled to do our own research. I did mine found the info that I was seeking and clearly everyone did there's and found the information they were seeking. My only concern is that people are being treated and recovering.
Continue to be the best nurse that you can possibly be. I'm done with this conversation. Have a wonderful time. You can check back with me next year after your booster and daily pill.
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Just now, sunshinej1981 said:
Well you know what. We are all entitled to do our own research. I did mine found the info that I was seeking and clearly everyone did there's and found the information they were seeking. My only concern is that people are being treated and recovering.
Continue to be the best nurse that you can possibly be. I'm done with this conversation. Have a wonderful time. You can check back with me next year after your booster and daily pill.
Peer - reviewed publication research? Or reading that which supports your views? Cause there is a huge difference.
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2 minutes ago, sunshinej1981 said:
Well you know what. We are all entitled to do our own research. I did mine found the info that I was seeking and clearly everyone did there's and found the information they were seeking. My only concern is that people are being treated and recovering.
Continue to be the best nurse that you can possibly be. I'm done with this conversation. Have a wonderful time. You can check back with me next year after your booster and daily pill.
You may have found information that you were seeking...most of us were simply looking for the facts and evidence...that is research.
I for one, have no need to check back with you on anything. So far your opinion isn't terribly helpful during a pandemic.
Ivermectin is being used all over the world. Don’t be so close minded.
Largely in places that don't have access to vaccine. Poison control calls are up in the freedom loving states of Idaho, Kansas and Kentucky from overdoses of Ivermetin. I guess people don't understand that horses are generally larger then humans and their doctors don't know how to use it either. Freedom to injure or kill theirselves and show up at covid infested hospitals looking for care. Darwin wins again.
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Ivermectin treats parasites. As others have pointed out, this has nothing to do with effectiveness against a virus.