Good grief. America's Frontline Doctors, a group of quacks who claim to know more than actual experts are pushing the use of ineffective parasite med to prevent and or treat COVID.
On a personal note, my hubby works for a farm store and has overheard customers explaining to each other how to dose animal wormer for people. This is in a community that is anti-mask, anti-vaccine, let's just all get infected. Up until, you know, they need hospitalization .
You care so much about people that you're the one is frustrated and scared for them.
This reminds me of COMBANTRIN®. ??
I blame the media for some of this. Every time they report on someone claiming the drug works, ( I have saved articles that shows this from) they only talk or write about it as the over the counter horse meds, they don't mention the person got it from a doctor and sadly people go out and buy the one meant for horses because the media only talked about that the horse one and they think that is one they need to buy. This is mis information by the media and they should be ashamed. While I am not saying the drug should be used to treat COVID ( I also have to repeat this line every time because someone will always agrue back well it is not approved, which I know) I believe the full information should be reported on the stories.
Case in point is the judge story, on 2 news articles about it the drug meant for horses was in the picture, so some people might think that was the one the judge orded, again mis information and it is sad and I feel bad for the people that buy the one meant for horses.
40 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
True. The FDA is doing a study, so guess we will know then
Sorry meant to say the FDA shows links to studies currently being done
Ivermectin is far more than a “horse wormer” and is approved for use in humans for various things all over the world. The scientist who discovered it won a Nobel prize for it. There is a lot of data out there supporting it’s use.
As someone who has had Covid twice I would never take it though. I was hiring new bench press PRs when I had the China virus last time
The ones that will push back against this study will say it’s not credible but then will site an article that is also posted on the NIH website.
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7 hours ago, RKM2021 said:
On 9/3/2021 at 10:52 PM, toomuchbaloney said:
You know full well the drug being discussed is not the livestock one for animals but the ones meant for humans and NO I am not saying you should use the drug to treat COVID, I am saying you are talking about the wrong one.
Baloney. You know full well the drug being taken by these foolish and gullible people is the over the counter veterinary preparations. I'm saying you are being rudely disingenuous.
7 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:
Funny how the ones pushing the vaccines which have not been proven how effective they are whine about using an FDA approved product off label.
Baloney
People are being encouraged to self medicate with veterinary meds.
You know full well the drug being discussed is not the livestock one for animals but the ones meant for humans and NO I am not saying you should use the drug to treat COVID, I am saying you are talking about the wrong one.
I am dumbfounded why you keep bring up the livestock one when everyone here talking about it is talking about the one meant for humans from the doctor
I know that the study in Detroit was abandoned because it was at the wrong time and more difficult to conduct than they could handle. IMHO, we can study this drug til kingdom come but I don't see how we can get any answers because we are giving for a disease from which most people recover without incident. And when it is given to sick patients, the results will be confounded by all the other meds a sick patient would be on. The n will have to be a huge number of patients to detect a trend. I'm all for doing it to put the issue to rest but I believe we will never have a definitive answer , much like the source of the outbreak in Wuhan. But I have observed during this pandemic how desperate some people are for answers and will accept any explanation that they can latch onto. I accept that we have to live with uncertainty, as uncomfortable as it may be.
Funny how the ones pushing the vaccines which have not been proven how effective they are whine about using an FDA approved product off label.
We know that the vaccines are effective and how effective they are.
The vaccines are used only for their intended purpose.
Ivermectin has not been proven to be a safe or effective prevention or treatment for a Covid-19 infection.
People are harming themselves by taking Ivermectin that has not been prescribed to them by a medical provider. Some harm themselves extra by taking Ivermectin intended for animals, meaning they risk taking very high doses and inactive ingredients not approved for human use.
Baloney. You know full well the drug being taken by these foolish and gullible people is the over the counter veterinary preparations. I'm saying you are being rudely disingenuous.
Baloney
People are being encouraged to self medicate with veterinary meds.
You did not mention that before all your arguments kept repeating a horse dewormer, without stating what you are know just stating, so you are being disingenuous.
Yes, the media is, who to blame for that partly. Every time they report someone is for the drug they only mention the horse dewormer. Even when that Judge issued that 14 day ruling in Ohio, I saw new articles about it and all they mentioned was the horse dewormer, so people think that is one that people (who say it works) are advocating for, and it is it not.
And it is not just the people that want the meds, the ones against keep putting over and over on facebook Twitter and everywhere else they can't believe so and so is saying that a horse dewormer can help fight Covid or they can't believe a Judge is making a hospital give a patient a horse dewormer. I have talked to people that are against the treatment, as they should be, since the FDA does not recommend it for treating COVID yet, and they have no idea there is one mades for humans either.
So it is on both sides of the argument. Both sides think that there are people out there advocating for an over the counter drug meant for horses, and there is not anyone doing that.
2 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
And yes I do they are taking the over the counter one, and I have said that before, so that is a wasted point of yours to try to make to me.
We know that the vaccines are effective and how effective they are.
The vaccines are used only for their intended purpose.
Ivermectin has not been proven to be a safe or effective prevention or treatment for a Covid-19 infection.
People are harming themselves by taking Ivermectin that has not been prescribed to them by a medical provider. Some harm themselves extra by taking Ivermectin intended for animals, meaning they risk taking very high doses and inactive ingredients not approved for human use.
The two things (Ivermectin and vaccines), are two completely different things and your comparison is utterly ridiculous.
I agree with this, if the media would report that it is the one you can get from a doctor and not the over the counter one, even thought I don't believe that one should be used either yet to treat COVID, so many people would not go out and by the over the counter one. Instead every new outlet pretty much only talks about the horse dewormer that you get over the counter for horses. Misinformation, but that is another topic.
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I blame the media for some of this. Every time they report on someone claiming the drug works, ( I have saved articles that shows this from) they only talk or write about it as the over the counter horse meds, they don't mention the person got it from a doctor and sadly people go out and buy the one meant for horses because the media only talked about that the horse one and they think that is one they need to buy. This is mis information by the media and they should be ashamed. While I am not saying the drug should be used to treat COVID ( I also have to repeat this line every time because someone will always agrue back well it is not approved, which I know) I believe the full information should be reported on the stories.
Case in point is the judge story, on 2 news articles about it the drug meant for horses was in the picture, so some people might think that was the one the judge orded, again mis information and it is sad and I feel bad for the people that buy the one meant for horses.
Sorry meant to say the FDA shows links to studies currently being done