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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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8 minutes ago, MaybeeRN said:

Then Congress should have stipulated it all needed to be paid back.  It’s that simple.  

The same congress members that had large PPP loans that they wanted forgiveness on... they should have stipulated that? 

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2 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

Then Congress should have stipulated it all needed to be paid back.  It’s that simple.  

loan = pay it back.

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3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Nothing forced the participants to accept loan forgiveness, it after all was called a loan. Unless from the beginning they had no intention of paying the money back when they passed the bill.

It would have be financially foolish to not to have accepted it.

If somehow the Biden Student Loan Transfer Program stands up to the forseen legal challenges ahead, you can bet I'll be getting our loans paid off.

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Arguing that a handful of congressmen/women are hypocrits?  Might be the biggest example of deflection we've seen here.

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55 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It would have be financially foolish to not to have accepted it.

If somehow the Biden Student Loan Transfer Program stands up to the forseen legal challenges ahead, you can bet I'll be getting our loans paid off.

I hope you do. And I hope the money you save goes to assuring other people have jobs, that small businesses are supported, and your local economy prospers. I know for me personally, that my daughter will have an easier time paying her rent, and that she can put money away for her two boys college fund. 

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13 hours ago, Beerman said:

How is that a horrible point of view?  

And, yes.  Some are experiencing hardships.  As I mentioned, there are already remedies in place for that.  Did you ignore that on purpose?

Hi, 

It's horrible because you speak as if there is some middle ground, some idea or belief that there should be a limit to how much help people should receive.  Do you not realize how wealthy and fat it is at the top or did you ignore that on purpose. 

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13 hours ago, Beerman said:

Did they argue for the PPP program?  If so, yes they are hypocritical.  

If they only took advantage of something that the govt made available to them, I'm not sure I see it that way.

Of course you wouldn't see it that way.  It's so easy to turn a blind eye to someone else's struggles. Let's be clear the poor and lower middle class.   It's not about whether they argued for the PPP program, it's about did they seize the opportunity to take advantage of the help when it was presented.  The answer is YES period.  Some people are so afraid of other people getting ahead.  Having an even playing field.  Really seeing the so called American Dream.  They only want to see the Dream that fits their narrative.  It's funny, I don't see the 1% arguing within their ranks.  But I do see us people at the bottom fighting tooth and nail at the freaking bottom on how much help we should receive.  Make it make sense. 

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11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's hypocritical of them...

sounds about right

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1 hour ago, HiddenAngels said:

sounds about right

Yes - this whole discussion over the theoretical difference between PPP and student loan forgiveness is a snapshot of the conservative nanny state in action.

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On 8/27/2022 at 2:36 AM, heron said:

Yes - this whole discussion over the theoretical difference between PPP and student loan forgiveness is a snapshot of the conservative nanny state in action.

When the House Judiciary GOP tweeted "If you take out a loan, you pay it back. Period." after the student loan announcement but not PPP loan forgiveness to me that says it all.  

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On 8/26/2022 at 7:56 PM, Beerman said:

It would have be financially foolish to not to have accepted it.

That's what the Republican Governor said about accepting Obama's billion dollar stimulus package to Florida and lost his job because of it.  

I overheard one of my patient's visitors say he wasn't going to allow his daughter to take loan forgiveness to teach her responsibility of paying her debts.  Assuming she's over the age of 18 and the loans in her name I'm not sure he as a say so in that.  But why would he want that for her.

Florida has a program for nurses.  We pay a fee as part of our renewal into a fund for loan forgiveness.  It's been in place many years. You have to work in certain not-for-profit hospitals.   You get $4,000 a year until your loan is paid off while you are making payments on your loan.  I was able to pay down a $10,000 I took to get my BSN in 2007 in two years.  This is not a controversial thing in FL.  Why wouldn't I take advantage of that?

They also have a plan where parents start paying for their child's education when they are infants and you get locked into the current costs rather than the price when they are 18 and by the time they are 18 there is a lot of money in their account to pay for their child's education.  Several of my coworkers had patients that did this and graduated debt free.  Several are doing it for their own kids.  Some might argue loan forgiveness is unfair to responsible people like them.

What about the kids that are currently in school that will graduate with debt five or 10 years from now.  Will the loan forgiveness be long term or just benefit people that happen to be at the right place at the right time.

It doesn't address the high cost of education which is a separate issue I suppose.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/student-loan-forgiveness-biden-inflation/

While PPP loans might be a deflection the White House naming names of critics of the student loan forgiveness that received PPP loan forgiveness is brilliant.  

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On 8/26/2022 at 8:54 PM, nursej22 said:

I hope you do. And I hope the money you save goes to assuring other people have jobs, that small businesses are supported, and your local economy prospers. I know for me personally, that my daughter will have an easier time paying her rent, and that she can put money away for her two boys college fund. 

This seems to contradict your previous post:  loan=pay it back.  What am I missing?

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